Monday, 23 December 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Sadlierswell

 

Sadlierswell / Tobber-bryen

 

There is one landowner in Tobber-bryen which equates to the modern townland of Sadlierswells outside Tipperary Town, that is Daniel Ryan.

The Civil Survey records that there was a demolished castle not inhabited in the townland also.

In Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht it is recorded that a William Ryan is listed for transplantation from Tobber Ryan. This I think must be Tobber-bryen aka Sadlierswells. However, it’s not exactly clear where he is meant to be transplanted as it is a bit confusing and two possible locations seem to be given.

There is one William Ryan included in the 1659 Census in Clare but there is no way of knowing if it is the same person or not.

Moving on to the HMR for Tobberbrian, the 1665 return features no Ryans but in 1666/7 - a Widd. Rian is recorded ie A Widow Ryan.

Whose widow she is we can’t be sure. If it is Daniel Ryan of Tobber-bryen then she was Ellinora Cody.

The Ryans of Solohead do have a Daniel Ryan who dies in 1679. His father was a William Ryan but was dead by the time this William Ryan would have been listed to be transplanted. Daniel has a nephew William who was married to a Gyles O’Mulryan (daughter of the William O’Mulryan of Annagh).  William’s father is Derby Ryan of Solloghmore – 1st son of William Ryan of Solohead.

These Ryans are a branch of the branches known as the Ryans of Solohead. For more on them see this paper https://www.jstor.org/stable/30004649   

If it is the same branch then they are descended from the Dermot Ryan / Jeremiah Ryan who received lands around Tipperary Town following the dissolution of the monasteries and is buried at the Rock of Cashel.

We can’t be sure who the William Ryan listed for transplantation is but I think that the Daniel Ryan listed in the Civil Survey is the son of William Ryan of Solohead.

By the time we reach the Tithe Appointment Books there is a Timothy Ryan still in Tobberbrien.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Tipperary&townland=Tubber%20Brien&search=Search

Timothy Ryan features again in the Griffiths Valuation.


Ryans continue down into the 1901 & 1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Tipperary_Rural/Sadlierswell/

 

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Tipperary_Rural/Sadlierswells/

Lots of interesting threads but nothing concrete. There must surely be some descendants of the Ryans of Solohead living in the Tipperary Town area. 



Wednesday, 18 December 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Ballyoughter

 


In the Civil Survey in Ballyoughter there is only one person recorded

Daniell Ryan Gent.

Daniell also has an interest in lands in a number of other townlands (as named in the Civil Survey);

Lissnaselly (Lissnasella)

Comur (Cummer)

Gortnalarhy (Gortnalara)

https://www.townlands.ie/tipperary/upper-ormond/templederry/kilnaneave/gortnalara/

We also find in Simingtons “Transplantation to Connacht” that a Daniel or Donnell Ryan of Beallaoughter is allotted 216 acres in Connacht.

There is some confusion as to where it exactly was as Simington on pg 169 records Kilnasoolagh (Lr.) in Bunratty Barony, Co. Clare and on pg 5 in Killannin, Moycullen, Co. Galway.

There are two Daniel Ryans recorded in Pender’s Census, neither in the two locations mentioned above.

The Hearth Money Roll for the townland “Bealaowghter” has just one name

William Dermodie

So it seems we don’t know if Daniel Ryan went to Connacht or stayed.

What is interesting is that come the Tithe Appointment Books there are still a number of Ryan’s in the townland.

 https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Ballyoughter&parish=Moyaliff&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

In Griffiths there are a few Ryans in the townland. 



Tuesday, 17 December 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Turraheen (Upper / Lower)

 


Turraheen Upper

The Civil Survey records the following owners in Torryhine.

John Dwyer of Torryhine

Thomas Dwyer of Ballyvilode

John Ryan of Torryhine

Daniell Ryan of Torryhyn

Theig Ryan of the same

Conor Ryan of ye same.

Mahoune Ryan of the same

MIaighlen Ryan of the same

John mcWm. Dwyer of Cappaghmore

John Dwyer of Gortneskehy

Simington’s Transplantation records show a Conor McMahon Ryan being scheduled for transplantation from Turehine to Kilraghtis (Upr.) in the Barony of Bunratty to receive 50 acres.

There is also a Laughlin (Melaghin) McConnor Ryan listed in Turerhine and also to receive land in the same place.

These are probably the Conor Ryan and Mlaighlen Ryan in the Civil Survey. Could Laughlin be the son of Conor (aka McConnor)?

In Penders Census for 1659 we don’t see either of these two in Kilraghtis – at least not as Tituladoes.

There is a Conor Ryan listed in Ballygerrane in Killaloe Barony in Clare.

 

The HMR (1666-67)  records the following as being in Tureheen

James Toby

Mullinory Duly

Darby Rehell

David Blanchfelld

Toby Butler

Patrick White

James Tobin

Charles Rehen

Cornelins Rehen

Collo McSweeny

Charles O'Heeren

three howses wast

Anthony Dwier

Derby Dwier

Cornelius Dwier

Donogh Rehen

Teige Rehen

Rory Rehen

John McInelly

Donnogh Kenedy

two howses wast

Robert Stakes

Daniell Rehen

There don’t seem to be any Ryans? However are the “Rehens” actually Ryans and is Cornelins Rehan actually Conor Ryan aka Conor McMahon Ryan? Perhaps he never went to Co. Clare?

In the Griffiths Valuation for Turraheen Upper and Lower there are a large number of Ryans including a Cornelius Ryan. 









Ryans continue in this townland into the 1901 and 1911 census. (Including a Cornelius)

1901

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Clogher/Turraheen_Upper/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Clogher/Turraheen_Lower/

1911

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clogher/Turraheen_Upper/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Clogher/Turraheen_Lower/

 

Did the name Conor or Cornelius carry on through the Ryans in this townland / area from the 1600s?

 

 

 

 

 

 

Monday, 16 December 2024

The Annals of Nenagh (Translation)


“Annals were kept at Nenagh and such part of these as remain have been made use of by Ware and other authors. The complete text however has never been printed before. It apparently consisted of two portions of which only the latter now survives in Ware's transcript. Where the original manuscript from which Ware took his transcript may now be it is difficult to say. Dr. Flower states that it is not in the British Museum nor apparently in the Rawlinson Mss., but adds that in the list of contents of the Lansdowne Ms. 418 from which the present text is taken, appear the almost illegible entry in pencil against this item "penes Dermitium O'Meara Medicae Doctorem." This would appear to imply that Ware took his transcript from the original Ms. in the possession of Doctor O'Meara. O'Meara himself was educated at Oxford University and will be found amongst Ware's "writers" and was living in 1620.* He was of the family to whom Toomeveara five miles to the west of Nenagh owes its name ; moreover both the last Prior of the Augus tinian foundation of Tyone near Nenagh and the last ' Custos ' of Toomeveara Priory before the suppression, were O'Mearas of this family which stood very high in the estimation of the Earls of Ormond7. Dr. Dermot O'Meara himself was physician to Thomas Dubh the 10th Earl and wrote his epitaph*. It is not therefore difficult to under stand how the Ms. of the Annals of Nenagh should have come into his possession. “

Pg 157-157 - Gleeson, Dermot F. “The Annals of Nenagh.” Analecta Hibernica, no. 12 (1943): 155–64. http://www.jstor.org/stable/25510988.

However the version that Gleeson produces is in Latin only. Now there may be a translated version somewhere but I don't have access to it. 

Thanks however to Google translate it is now relatively easy to translate from Latin to English and so I have gone about translating the Annals of Nenagh into English. 

Ex Annalibus Galfridi o Hogani et aliorum Franciscanorum coenobii Nenaght

From the Annals of Geoffrey O'Hogan and other Franciscans of the Nenagh monastery.

1336

la. Reliquam partem Chronicarum quere in Chronicis Conventus usque ad Annum Domini 1336 quo Anno in mense Junii pax inita inter Moriertach o Brien principem Totomoniae et Brien o Brien

The remaining part of the Chronicles can be found in the Chronicles of the Assembly until the year of our Lord 1336, in which year in the month of June peace was established between Moriertach O Brien, prince of Thomond, and Brien o Brien.

1337

Dominus Jacobus le Botiller comes Ormoniae apud Balligauran  mortuus est ... . kalendis Martii in flore iuventutis.

Lord James le Botiller, Earl of Ormonde, died at Balligauran on the first of March in the bloom of youth.

1338

30 kalendas May Edmundus filius comitis Ultoniae captus est per Dominum Edmundum de Burgo prodiciose et familia eius interfecta et ipsemet praetermodum vilissime submersus est per eundem ut dicitur, et inde magna guerra in Conatia, et multae strages hinc inde S. inter [partem]1 Domini Willielmi de Burgo et prolem Ricardi de Burgo, Brimingham et y Concubar ex altera parte; et terra combusta et devastata tunc multi de familia Domini Edmundi sunt interfecti.

1338. Item magnus exercitus collectus est per O Connochor [et] prolem Ricardi de Burgo et Birmingheam, prosequiti sunt Dominum Edmun dum de Burgo et fugaverunt eum de Conacia et exceperunt obsides totius terrae et diviserunt terram inter se.

On the 3rd of the Kalends of May, Edmund, son of the Earl of Ulster, was captured by Lord Edmund de Burgo treacherously, and his family was killed, and he himself was submerged in the most despicable manner by the same, as it is said, and from there a great war arose in Connacht, and many slaughters occurred on both sides between Lord William de Burgo's faction and the descendants of Richard de Burgo, Birmingham and Concubar on the other side; and the land was burned and devastated, and then many of Lord Edmund's family were killed. In 1338. Also, a great army was gathered by O Connochor and the descendants of Richard de Burgo and Birmingham, they pursued Lord Edmund de Burgo and drove him from Connacht and took hostages from all the land and divided the land among themselves.

 

1339

Interfectus est David de Curcy et 2 filii Milonis de Curcy per Car brenses2 et multi nobiles interfecti.

David de Curcy and the two sons of Milon de Curcy were killed by the Carbrenses and many nobles were killed.

1340

In Crastino Sancti Johannis Baptistae rex Angliae commisit navale bellum contra Gallicos et praevaluit.

On the eve of Saint John the Baptist, the king of England waged naval war against the French and prevailed.

1342

9 May combustum est Monasterium de Wothny per proprium ignem. Item Villa Joannis iuxta Nenagh3 in vigilia Sancti Brendani combusta est per Donaldum filium Philippi o Kenedy et 5 interfecti sunt de familia Canonicorum. Theodoricus o Connor princeps 1342. Hibernicorum Conaciae expulsus est per Dominum Edmundum de Burgo de regno suo, et per quosdam Hibernicos scilicet per filiumodonis brefneach et per filium mc Diarmada et regnavit filius praedicti odonis pro eo sed statim post iterum obtinuit regnum praefatus Theodoricus alio eiecto. Item in vigilia Luciae virginis 12 Decembris obiit Dominus . David mcBrien Laonensis episcopus cui successit Magister Thomas o Hogain.

On May 9, the monastery of Wothny was burned down by an accidental fire. Also, the house of John near Nenagh was burned down on the eve of Saint Brendan by Donald, son of Philip O'Kenedy, and 5 members of the Canons family were killed. Theodoric O'Connor was prince in 1342. The lord Edmund de Burgo expelled the Irish from his kingdom, and by some Irish, namely by the son of Odonis Brefneach and by the son of McDiarmada, the son of the aforementioned Odonis reigned in his place, but immediately after, the aforementioned Theodoric regained the kingdom by expelling another. Also, on the eve of Saint Lucy, December 12, Lord David McBrien, bishop of Laon, died, and Master Thomas O'Hogain succeeded him.

1343

Obiit Moriertach o Brien filius Theodorici o Brien princeps Toto  moniae. Nonis Junii sepultus est cum fratribus minoribus de Cluain  ramada cui successit Dionisius germanus eius, et cito post super duxit mcConmara cum sui? complicibus modo scilicet Matheo filio  mcCarty et Kenealarmich4, Brien o Brien et ipsum sibi principem  fecerunt.

Moriertach o Brien, son of Theodoric o Brien, prince of all Munster, died. He was buried on the 5th of June with his younger brothers from Cluain Ramada, to whom his brother Dionisius succeeded, and shortly after he led mcConmara with his accomplices, namely Matheus son of mcCarty and Kenealarmich, making o Brien himself the prince.

1344

Iterum regnavit Dermitius o Brien in Totomoriia expulso Brien o Brien per mcConmara prodiciose. Capitulum provinciate celebratum apud Nenagh in festo Sancti Francisci. Item castrum eaedem (sic) Nenagh obessum per Thomam le Butler et captum 14 Novembris super Walterum Pursell constabularium comitis Desmoni tunc ibidem.

Dermot O'Brien reigned again in Thomond after Brian O'Brien was expelled by the treachery of McConmara. The chapter of the province was celebrated at Nenagh during the feast of Saint Francis. Also, the same castle (thus) Nenagh was besieged by Thomas le Butler and captured on November 14th over Walter Pursell, the constable of the Earl of Desmond then there.


1345

Dominus Joannes o Grada Archiepiscopus Casselensis vir magnae discretionis et industriae 8 Idu? July quievit in pace cui successit Dominus Radulphus o Kealligh de ordine Carmelitarum et hoc de provisione Domini Papae. In festo Joannis Evangelistae mortua est Desideria filia Geraldi fitzMorris magna benefactrix fratrum minorum sepultaque est cum eisdem fratribus in Ardart.

Lord John o Grada, Archbishop of Cassel, a man of great discretion and diligence, rested in peace on the 8th of July, to whom succeeded Lord Ralph o Kealligh of the Carmelite order, and this was by the provision of the Lord Pope. On the feast of John the Evangelist, Desideria, daughter of Gerald fitzMorris, a great benefactor of the Minor Brothers, died and was buried with the same brothers in Ardart.

1346

Dominus Radulphus de Ufford Justicarius Hiberniae mortuus est apud Kilmaynam 5 Idus Junii. Item Dominus David o Ferghill* Armach Archiepiscopus Armach in festo Sancti Brendani (Clonfertensis) 16 Mali quievit in pace cui successit Dominus Richardus filius Radulphi Sacrae Theologiae solempnis Doctor.

“Lord Radulphus de Ufford, Justiciar of Ireland, died at Kilmainham on the 5th of the Ides of June. Also, Lord David o Ferghill, Archbishop of Armagh, rested in peace on the feast of Saint Brendan (of Clonfert) on the 16th of May, to whom succeeded Lord Richard, son of Radulphus, a solemn Doctor of Sacred Theology.”

1347

Dominus J. Episcopus Core, quievit in pace. Item Dominus Alanus Hachierane Ardfertensis episcopus quievit in pace cui successit Magister Joannes de Valle. Oliverus de Fraxineto assumpto habitu fratrum minorum 7 Decembris mortuus est et sepultus est in habitu [Fratrum] cum fratribus minoribus [Kilkenniae].

Lord J. Bishop Core has rested in peace. Also, Lord Alan Hachierane, Bishop of Ardfert, has rested in peace, to whom Master John de Valle succeeded. Oliver de Fraxineto, having taken the habit of the Minor Brothers, died on December 7 and was buried in the habit of the Brothers with the Minor Brothers in Kilkenny.

1348

Cito post festum Sancti Joannis Baptistae mortuus est frater odcr o Neil quondam custos de Nenach et lector de Ardmacia. Item in festo Sancti Laurentii Martyris obiit Dominus Malachias mcAda Archiepis copus Tuamensis cui successit mrThomas mcCearwill Archiediaconis Casselensis de provisione Domini papae. Hie Magister Thomas per ecclesiasticos Cassel' Cluoniens' Ardfertiens' diversis cum vicibus fuit Canonice electus. Incipit in Hibernia mortalitas hominum inaudita, primo in Ponte praeterea in Dublin et in vicis circumiacentibus; ita. quod villac multas sine habitatoribus relinquebat

Shortly after the feast of Saint John the Baptist, Brother Odo O'Neil, formerly the custodian of Nenach and lector of Ardmacia, passed away. Also, on the feast of Saint Lawrence the Martyr, Lord Malachias McAda, Archbishop of Tuam, died, to whom Mr. Thomas McCearwill, Archdeacon of Cassel, succeeded by the provision of the Lord Pope. Here Master Thomas was canonically elected in various ecclesiastical positions in Cassel, Cluain, and Ardfert. A previously unheard-of mortality began in Ireland, first in the Bridge area of Dublin and in the surrounding villages; so much so that many towns were left without inhabitants.

1349

20 July conflictus in Midia inter Dominum Walterum de Birmingham . praetunc justiciarium Hiberniae et Hibernicos de Midia in quo conflicta Hibernici terga dederunt et ex ipsis nonnulli nobiles reciderunt inter quos Cornelius, Donatus et Brian de mcCoghlan et Neil iuvenis Synnagh occisi sunt. Item in festo S. Laurentii obiit Frater Robertus o Fynian qui fuit diversis vicibus Gardianus in ordine de cuius procuratione una bona camera in conventu fratrum de Nenagh est constructa. Item mortuus est frater Thadeus mcMahowne lector fratrum minorum de Lymerico modicum ante festum omnium Sanctorum. Item mortuus est frater Willielmus o Mullchacha lector de Nenagh feria 4ta infra octavos S. Ludovicci episcopi et confessoris. Item mortuus est Matheus cecus mcconmara, vir utique in consiliis providus, in moribus honestus, in opibus devotus, ipse namque construxit refectorium et sacristiam fratrum de Cluainramada et ibidem in habitu fratrum sepultus

On July 20, a conflict occurred in Meath between Lord Walter of Birmingham, the pretender to the justiciary of Ireland, and the Irish of Meath, in which the Irish gave ground and some nobles among them were killed, including Cornelius, Donatus, and Brian McCoghlan, and young Neil Synnagh. Also, on the feast of St. Lawrence, Brother Robert O'Fynian, who had been guardian at various times in the order, died, under whose administration a good chamber was built in the convent of the brothers at Nenagh. Additionally, Brother Thaddeus McMahowne, a lector of the Franciscan brothers from Limerick, died shortly before the feast of All Saints. Furthermore, Brother William O'Mullchacha, a lector from Nenagh, died on the fourth feria within the octave of St. Louis, bishop and confessor. Lastly, Matthew the blind McConmara, a man indeed prudent in counsel, honest in character, and devoted in resources, who built the refectory and sacristy for the brothers of Cluainramada, was buried there in the habit of the brothers.

1350

Mortuus est in principio estatis Theodoricus filius Donati ybrien et sepultus cum fratribus minoribus apud

“Theodoric, son of Donatus Ybrien, died at the beginning of the summer and was buried with the minor brothers.”

1352

26 July mortuus est Dominus Thomas de Cantwell miles, ordinis fratrum minorum magnus benefactor, et maxime conventus eiusdem ordinis de Nenach, et ibidem sepultus est.

28 January mortuus est Dublinie frater Geraldus Lagles, in Hibernia, fratrum minorum magister

On July 26, Lord Thomas de Cantwell, a knight and great benefactor of the Order of Friars Minor, died, and he was buried there in Nenach.

On January 28, Brother Gerald Lagles, master of the Friars Minor, died in Dublin, Ireland.

1353

14 Aprilis mortua est Gormlaygh filia Idomiiail uxor quondam Donaldi Ineal principis Ultoniae, et mater odonis o Neal etiam principis Ultoniae, et sepulta cum fratribus de Ardmacha.

Mortuus est Dominus Mauritius de Rupeforti Episcopus Limerici vir bonae vitae et conversationis honestae. Feria 3 infra octavos S. Francisci mortuus est frater Rodericus o Mulruonig quondam custos de Nenagh ac lector solempnis in diversis sui ordinis conventibus

On April 14, Gormlaygh, daughter of Idomiiail, wife of the late Donald Ineal, prince of Ulster, and mother of O'Donel, also prince of Ulster, was buried with her brothers at Armagh.

Lord Maurice de Rupeforti, Bishop of Limerick, a man of good life and honest conduct, has died. On the third day of the octave of St. Francis, Brother Roderick o Mulruonig, formerly the custodian of Nenagh and solemn lector in various convents of his order, passed away.

1354

In vigilia vigilie omnium Sanctorum mortuus est Dominus Thomas o Hogain episcopus Laonensis et 5 die apud fratres minores de Nenagh Laon' 1354 traditus sepulturae cui successit magister Thomas o Cormacain. Item cito [in] festo natalis domini mortuus est Lismor' epi

On the vigil of All Saints, Lord Thomas O'Hogain, Bishop of Laon, died and was buried on the 5th day among the Minor Brothers of Nenagh, Laon, in 1354, to whom Master Thomas O'Cormacain succeeded. Also, shortly on the feast of the Nativity, he died in Lismore.

1355

In Conversione Sancti Pauli mortuus est Dominus Mauritius filius Thomae comes Desmoniae et protunc Justiciarius Hiberniae vir utique in consiliis providus, in donis liberalis et moribus honestus.

In the Conversion of Saint Paul, Lord Maurice, son of Thomas, Earl of Desmond, and then Justiciar of Ireland, a man indeed prudent in counsel, generous in gifts, and honorable in character, passed away.

1357

15 Aprilis mortuus est Dominus Thomas Rucuby Justiciarius Hiberniae.

On April 15th, Lord Thomas Rucuby, Justice of Ireland, passed away.

1358

Dominus Mauricius comes Desmoniae filius Domini Mauricii Anno aetatis suae 22 in tranritu suo, usque Angliam, submersus est iuxta Walliam.

Lord Maurice, the son of Lord Maurice of Desmond, at the age of 22, drowned in his passage to England near Wales.

1359

Mortua est Contissa Kildare, quae construxit apud fratres Minores Kildare, capellam pulchram ubi sepulta est circa primum Aprilis, et multa alia opera construxit haec eadem Domina cum praedictis fratribus.

In Crastino Purificationis B. Virginis mortuus est Dominus Richardus o Lochlain episcopus Finnaborensis.

Lady Kildare has passed away, who built a beautiful chapel at the Minor Brothers in Kildare, where she was buried around the first of April, and she constructed many other works with the aforementioned brothers.

On the eve of the Purification of the Blessed Virgin, Lord Richard of Lochlain, Bishop of Finnabore, passed away.

1361

In festo Sancti Petri quod dicitur ad vincula Capitulum provinciate fratrum minorum erat celebratum in Galvia. In crastino Exaltationis Sancte Crucis intravit Hiberniam Dominus Leonellus comes Ultoniae filius Regis Angliae applicuit prope Dublin. In festo Edmundi Regis et martyris mortuus est frater Radulphus o Keallaigh ordinis Carmelitarum Archiepicopus Casselensis. In festo Perpetuae et Felicitatis mortuus est frater Thomas o Huolachain lector, juvenis et valens de ordine minorum apud Ardert in Kerigia.

At the feast of Saint Peter, known as the Chains, the chapter of the province of the Minor Brothers was celebrated in Gaul. The next day, on the Exaltation of the Holy Cross, Lord Leonellus, the Earl of Ulster and son of the King of England, landed near Dublin. On the feast of King Edmund and martyr, Brother Radulphus O'Keallaigh of the Carmelite order, Archbishop of Cassel, passed away. On the feast of Perpetua and Felicity, Brother Thomas O'Huolachain, a lector, young and strong from the order of Minor Brothers, died at Ardert in Kerry.

1362

Item submersus est Dominus Georgius de Rupe Archiepiscopus Casselensi

Also submerged is Lord George of the Rock, Archbishop of Cassel.

1364

Item in vigilia [vigiliae] conversionis Sancti Pauli mortuus est Dermitius o Brien in Conacia prope Ardrachin princeps quondam Totomoniae et sepultus cum minoribus apud Inis. Item apud Senguolan8 die Mercurii proxima ante festum purificationis Beate Virginis, Dominus Lismorensis episcopus, ex parte Domini Papae,  presentibus Dominis Thoma Laonens', Stephano Limericens', Johanne Ardfert', Thoma Cathagens', episcopis, inquisivit per plures fide dignos testes ad hoc specialiter vocatos, si.

Iniscathygh fuerit sedes Episcopatus, et si habuerit diocesim distinctam, et si fuerint ibi episcopi et de Nominibus episcoporum.

Also in the vigil of the conversion of Saint Paul, Dermitius o Brien died in Conacia near Ardrachin, a former prince of Totomonia, and was buried with the minors at Inis. Also at Senguolan on the Wednesday before the feast of the purification of the Blessed Virgin, the Lord Bishop of Lismore, on behalf of the Lord Pope, with the presence of Lords Thomas of Laon, Stephen of Limerick, John of Ardfert, Thomas of Cathagen, bishops, inquired through several trustworthy witnesses specially called for this purpose, whether Iniscathygh was the seat of the bishopric, and whether it had a distinct diocese, and whether there were bishops there and the names of the bishops.

1365

Isto anno in estate translatus est Dominus Thomas mcCarwill de Archiepiscopatu Tuamense et factus est Archiepiscopus Casselensis. Eodem anno Dominus Johannes o Grada venit de curia Archiepiscopus Tuamensi

This year in the summer, Lord Thomas McCarwill was transferred from the Archdiocese of Tuam and became the Archbishop of Cassel. In the same year, Lord John O'Grada came from the court of the Archbishop of Tuam.

1367

In sabbato proximo ante Dominica de [Pascha]f mortuus est Radulphus filius et haeres Domini Jacobi comitis Ermoniae.

On the Saturday before Easter Sunday, Radulphus, son and heir of Lord Jacob, Count of Ermonia, passed away.

1369

Mortuus est apud Clonmell frater Thadeuso Breassill lector solemnis in diversis locis frater itaque multum literatus et sufficiens fuit et vic[an?s] totius proviriciae qui obiit 4 die ante festum Sancti Michaelis

Brother Thadeus Breassill, a solemn reader, died in Clonmell; he was a learned and sufficient brother in various places and a vicar of the entire province who passed away four days before the feast of Saint Michael.

1371

In festo Apostolorum Philippi et Jacobi mortuus est Matheus o Brien princeps Totomoniae et sepultus cum minoribus apud Inis.

Apud Limericum 19 die septembris mortuus est Joannes o Grada Archiepiscopus Tuamensis, et ibidem sepultus est. Tuam 8 February mortuus est magister Thomas Ikearwill Archiepiscopus Cassel.hic alias fuit Archiepiscopus Tuamensi?, et Papa transtulit ipsum ad Archiepiscopatum Casselensem. Fuit vir magnae suffisientiae et litteraturae. Sepultus est in ecclesia Sancti Patricii Casseliae. Quae sequuntur manu recentiori fuerunt descripta.

At the feast of the Apostles Philip and James, Mathew O'Brien, the prince of Totomonia, died and was buried with the minors at Inis. John O'Grada, Archbishop of Tuam, died in Limerick on September 19 and was buried there. Master Thomas Ikearwill, Archbishop of Cassel, died in Tuam on February 8; he was previously the Archbishop of Tuam, and the Pope transferred him to the Archdiocese of Cassel. He was a man of great sufficiency and learning. He was buried in the Church of St. Patrick in Cassel.

 

The following were described in a more recent hand.

1496

mense Augusti Geraldus comes Kildariae Justiciarius Hiberniae congregavit magnum exercitum ad civitatem Limeric' ad pugnandum contra Schibren10 sed non multum obtinuit, nisi tantum castrum Finin m?nemar de Feybach11; set cum illo exercitu castrum Ballinite et castrum de Coniger o Konagh12confregit; sed quid plura dicam, magis excedebant expensae et labores quam prae valebant conquest

In the month of August, Gerald, the Earl of Kildare, the Justiciar of Ireland, gathered a large army at the city of Limerick to fight against the Schibren, but achieved little, except for the castle of Finin, which he captured from Feybach; however, with that army, he broke the castle of Ballinite and the castle of Coniger or Konagh; but what more can I say, the expenses and labors exceeded what they were able to achieve.

1429

Die Lunae proxima ante festum Brigidae Willelmus Burc dominus de Clanricard mortuus est et sepultus est in Monasterio fratrum de Athnarig

On the Monday before the feast of Brigid, William Burke, lord of Clanricarde, died and was buried in the monastery of the brothers at Athnarig.

1500

Mortuus est Dominus Willelmus Barry suae nationis Capitaneus prodiciose et turpiter per quemdam fratrem suum Davidum de Barry qui quidem Willelmus erat strenuus in specie, largus in donis, facundus .... in actibus militaribus fortis, in universa morum honest ate praeclarus.

Lord William Barry, captain of his nation, died treacherously and shamefully by a certain brother of his, David Barry, who indeed was vigorous in appearance, generous in gifts, eloquent... strong in military actions, and renowned for his overall moral integrity.

1513

Mortuus est Brien ballach o Brien in castro quod vocatur Estrein18, et lapsus fuit a summitate castri usque ad infima et sepultus est cum fratribus minoribus de Naenach.

Brien Ballach O'Brien died in the castle called Estrein, and he fell from the top of the castle to the bottom and was buried with his younger brothers from Naenach.

1528

Donaldus iuvenis o Brien filius mcIbrien arra probatissimus miles, in donis largus, interfectus est felonice per Thomam filium Joannis de Geraldinis in festo omnium Sanctorum.

Donald O'Brien, the young son of McIbrien, a most renowned soldier, was feloniously killed by Thomas, son of John, of the Geraldines, during the feast of All Saints.


Friday, 13 December 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Mongfune (Limerick)

 


Mongfune

In the Civil Survey a

Charlies Ryane of Mungfoune is listed for the area called

Mongioune, Knockan Ery Beallaborhine Moehgorr and Gurtinakitty three quarters and a halfe of land wth a mill seate therunto belonging meareing north East wth the lands of Abie Owhnie and the lands of Keapanahanie south east wth ye lands of Gragine in the Parrish of Towgh and south west wth the lands of Keapaneuke in the pish of the Abie Owhnie aforesaid.

It totals 1670 acres.

In Simington’s Transplantation to Connacht a Cormac Ryan of Meaghfean is recorded to be transplanted to lands in the Barony of Bunratty

1 acre in Kilraghtis (Upr.) (I wonder could this be a specific residence such as Tower House?)

113 acres in Templemary (Upr).

Cormack is of course the Irish for Charles so this must be the same person.

Another useful paper in relation to this area for the Limerick area is “Cromwellian Transplantation from Limerick, 1653” by Dr. S.C. O’Mahony and it features in the NMAJ Vol. 40”

In it he references copies of documents that from The Genealogical Office that gives more detail on a number of people scheduled to be transplanted from Limerick.

Amazingly it gives Charles / Cormack age in 1653 and those of his family to be transported with him.

We have Cormack (56) and his wife Catherine (50).

An Anthony Ryan (30), wife Catherine (26) and two small children,

Also a Tiegue Ryan and his wife Joane and two small children,

You would assume these are Charles / Cormack’s children and grandchildren.

We don’t have a HMR for this area so don’t know if he stayed around or went.

The Four Tipperary Septs records on pg 103 that in Penders Census for Ireland 1659 – that Charle Ryan of Cappagh is listed in Clare and Anthony Ryan in Drumgranagh.

In the actual survey this can be confirmed on pg 163 – it shows

Charles Ryan Gent in Killraghtish Parish, then Cappagh townland. He may also have lands in Cloonebeg & Knockeskrane. He is listed as a “Tituladoes.”

Anthony Ryane Gent also Killraghtish Parish, then Dromgranagh townland. He may also have lands in Gortavally, & Ballymacahill. He is listed as a “Tituladoes.”



So it looks like these two did go to Connaught. So we will park these for the time being and do a bit more research on these townlands to see if any Ryans survived into the later records in Clare.

Tuesday, 10 December 2024

Benchmarks / Crow's Feet / War Department Boundary Stones

Benchmarks in Ireland were integral to the Ordnance Survey of the 19th century, helping to map the country's terrain with great accuracy. They helped measure distances and heights above sea level. They were essential for precise mapping, used to create a network of reference points for further surveys. These markers, can still be found on buildings and monuments around Nenagh today.

In popular folklore they were often known as Sappers Marks or Crow’s Foot / Feet.

Benchmarks | A miscellany of topics | Our Irish Heritage

In Nenagh there were what I have seen termed War Department Boundary Stones. These are around the Barracks on Summerhill / Ormond Street.

They marked the boundaries of lands owned by the War Department. For more on this see the following link.

War Department Boundary Stones - The ARC

See the link below to the location of Benchmarks / Crow's Feet / War Department Boundary Stones in Nenagh Town. 




Link to google map here

Sunday, 8 December 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Tonetiry / Ballykinlalee

Tonetiry / Ballynoe / Ballykinlalee

Tonetiry / Ballykinlalee

I haven’t been able to pinpoint Tonetiry exactly but it appears to be near Ballykinlalee. Ballykinlalee does feature on the Down Survey maps but isn’t included in the Civil Survey document.

In Ballykinlalee we have the following

Morrogh Ryan of Ballynoe Gent

Teige me Keoagh of Ballynoe Gent

Dermot Ryan of Ballynoe Gent

Donogh Ryan of Ballynoe Gent

Connor Ryan of Ballynoe Gent

In the Hearth Money Rolls for Ballykinalee there are a number of Mc surnames

There is an Owen Mc Donogh and a William Mc Dermod.

Could they be sons of Donogh Ryan and Dermot Ryan? Obviously without the definite location for Tonetiry it is just conjecture at the moment.

Morrogh Ryan is interesting as well, Morrogh or Maurice is rare among Ryans to my knowledge.

In nearby Ballinahinch there are Edmund & Daniel McMorrogh, could there be a connection?

Saturday, 7 December 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Ballymackeogh & Rossary

 



Ballymackeogh & Rosary

I initially didn’t think this townland had no connections. In the Civil Survey the following are recorded as landowners.

William Ryan of Ballymckeogh gt.

John Ryan of Ballymckeogh gt.

Rory Ryan of Ballymckeogh Gent

Teige Ryan of Ballymckeogh Gent &

Owen Ryan of Ballymckeogh gent

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls there are no Ryans recorded which I always found unusual considering later in the 1700s this is where the Ryans of Ballymackeogh are living.

https://alison-stewart.blogspot.com/2013/05/the-ryan-family-of-ballymackeogh.html

However when I reviewed them again I saw that there were a number of Mc surnames.

Amazingly we have

Donnogh McShane (Shane is often used for John) could he be the son of John Ryan of Ballymackeogh?

John McOwen – could he be the son of Owen Ryan of Ballymackeogh?

John McWilliam – could he be the son of William Ryan of Ballymackeogh?

Donnogh McRory – could he be the son of Rory Ryan of Ballymackeogh.?

That would cover 4 out of the 5 owners of Ballymackeogh.

How that then ties in with the Ryans of Ballymackeogh family tree I’m not sure.

There is a William Ryan & John Ryan whose lands are recorded as being confiscated and given to John Ewers & John Wood in the Four Tipperary Septs. (Pg 91) This was in 1666. (According to Alison Stewards blog).

A son of William Ryan – Daniel Ryan married Honor Ewer – the daughter of the above John Ewers.

William Ryan father is recorded as a Dermott Ryan who was pardoned in 1602 (according to the Four Tipperary Septs) and Daniel Ryan is said to have served abroad with Charles II and received the Ballymckeogh lands in 1667 (Again the Four Tipperary Septs).

Daniel is recorded as dying in 1731. If he served abroad with Charles II (which would have between 1651 and 1660) say at the age of 20, he would have been between 91 and 100 at his time of death. So some of these dates seem a bit far-fetched and that needs to be taken into account with the lineages.

Was Daniels Father (William Ryan) the same William as recorded in the Civil Survey? The Survey was meant to record land ownership circa 1640.

 

A large number of Ryans continue in the townlands from the Hearth Money Rolls – if the Mcs are actually other descendants of the Ryan landowners in the townland, could they have been living side by side with their relatives who were the major landowners and converted to the Established Church?

We now have a DNA record of a confirmed descendent of the Ryans of Ballymackeogh, it would be very interesting to test other Ryans with Roman Catholic lineages from the townland to compare.

One last interesting thing to consider is that Rosary is linked with this area in the Hearth Money Rolls. In 1640 part of Rosarrybegg was owned by John Ryan of Craige.

from The Four Tipperary Septs by Callinan (pg 82). From the will of William O'Mulryan of Annagh

"He was also seised of one carucate in Moeny, Ferrueraz Garrangrelagh, known by the name of Drombane, Curragh duffe, known as Gortlehyregh, Rossinguile, Kearhowkeile am Rossary and on April 24th, 1632, gave all the above premise: to Dermott O’Mullryan of Bally M’Keogh and David O'Killan their heirs and assigns to the use of John O’Mullryan 2nd son of said William O’Mullryan, Said lands ‘were held by knight's service."

Simply put (Thanks to Daniel Ryan of NZ) this says "William O’Mulryan owned some land. On April 24th, 1632, he gave this land to two people, Dermott O’Mullryan and David O’Killan. They were supposed to take care of the land for John O’Mulryan, who was William’s second son. John would inherit the land."

This John O’Mulryan should be John Ryan of Craige.

However the 1640 Civil Survey records different owners of the land. What does it all mean, I put it to the collective Ryan hive mind!  

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/10/hearth-money-rolls-ballymackeogh-rossary.html



Civil Survey Notes - Clonbunny

Clonbunny

In the Civil Survey the following are recorded as landowners in the townland

Teige Ryan of Clonbunny Gent

William Ryan of Clonebricke Esqr

Derby Ryan of Clonebunny Gent

Rory Ryan of the Clonebunny Gent

Rory McDonogh Ryan of Clonebunny Gent

James Ryan of Clonebunny Gent

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls there some interesting but inconclusive names recorded for the townland. One is a John McRory, could he be a John McRory Ryan, son of one of the Rory Ryans in the townland?

The other is Donnogh Ryan, again could he be Donnogh McRory Ryan, son of Rory McDonogh Ryan?

 

There are still Ryans in the townland in the 1911 census but it is impossible to link them back to the Civil Survey.

 https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/09/hearth-money-rolls-clonbunny-rossary.html


Saturday, 30 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Shower

 


Shower

In the Civil Survey for the area that roughly corresponds to Shower today Dromunedornory, Garrymore & Showrelare / Shourebeg the following are recorded.

John Ryan of Dromunnedornory gt.

William Lord Barron of Castleconnell

Donogh Ryan of Shourelare gt.

John Ryan of Craige Esqr

Rory Ryan of showre

Gent

Teige Ryan of the same gt.

John Ryan of ye same gt.

 

In the later Hearth Money Rolls there is a Rory McOwen. Could he be Rory Ryan of Showre? At this remove unfortunately we can’t know for sure. Maybe if we find a record of an earlier Owen Ryan of Shower that may add support to the idea.

There are Ryans in the townland in the Tithe Appointments in 1827 and they carry on in the townland into the 1911 Census.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/10/hearth-money-rolls-shower.html

 


Friday, 29 November 2024

The Night we Rode with Sarsfield by Denis McCarthy


Followers of the page will know about the interest I have in the incident known in folklore as "Sarsfields Ride". 

For more information you can follow the storymap I created about it here

I previously came across a few different songs relating to the event including this one in the Irish Folklore Commission's Schools Manuscripts. 

This one is interestingly from a school in Galway

"I

The night I rode with Sarsfield
From Limerick town to meet,
The wagon train that William hoped,
Was help in our defeat.
II
How clearly I remember it,

Though now my hair is white
That clustered black and curly
'Neath the troopers cap that night.
III
For I was one of Sarsfield's men,
In years though still a lad
For to be one of Sarsfield's men
What boy would not be glad.
IV
For Sarsfield choosed of all his men
The best and bravest men
To ride and raid the convoy camps
That brought in English guns
V
Silently we left the town,
And silently we rode,

While o'er iur heads the silent stars,
In; silvery beauty glowed.
VI
Still silently and stealthly,
At Sarsfields stern command
We close and closer drew the lines
Of our devoted land.
VII
You shall not fail my comrades
It was Sarsfield's voice that spoke,
For Limericks and Ireland's fate,
Depends upon this stroke.
VIII
The password of the Williamites
Is Sarsfield; strange but true
And with that word upon your lips!,

You'll pass the sentry through
IX
The sleeping sentry on his rounds
Pehaps was musing o'er,
Of His happy days of childhood
On the plesant English shore.
X
Perhaps he was thining of his home,
or wishing he was there;
When springtime makes the English land,
So wonderfully and fair.
XI
At length the horses hoop-beat [?]
and jingling arms he heard,
Half, who goes there the sentry cried,
Repause and give the word.

XII
The word is Sarsfield cried; our chief
and stop him if you can

For Sarsfield in the watch-word and Sarsfield is the man." 


https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4569055/4567302/4574420


Now it is one thing to read it but another to hear it and a version similar to it is available to listen to hear - sung by Gavin Byrne and I think it is absolutely excellent. 

https://soundcloud.com/user-588840438-295908759/the-night-we-rode-with-sarsfield-gavin-byrne

The words of this version are available here 

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=61697

And it is credited to a Denis McCarthy. 

THE NIGHT WE RODE WITH SARSFIELD
by Denis A. McCarthy

The night we rode with Sarsfield out from Limerick to meet
The wagon-train that William hoped would help in our defeat,
How clearly I remember it, though now my hair is white
That clustered black and curly 'neath my trooper's cap that night.
For I was one of Sarsfield's men, in years though still a lad,
And to be one of Sarsfield's men what boy would not be glad?
For Sarsfield chose, of all his troops, the best and bravest ones
To ride and raid the convoy's camp that brought the English guns.

'Twas silently we left the town and silently we rode,
While o'er our heads the silent stars in silver beauty glowed.
And silently and stealthily, well led by one who knew,
We crossed the shining Shannon at the ford of Killaloe.
The Galloping O'Hogan, Ireland's fiery-hearted son,
'Twas he, by many a byway, led us confidently on,
Till when the night was nearly spent we saw the distant glow
The English convoy's campfire in the quiet vale below.

Still Silently and stealthily, at Sarsfield's stern command
We close and closer drew the lines of our devoted band.
"We must not fail, my comrades." That was Sarsfield's voice that spoke.
"For Limerick and Ireland's fate depend upon this stroke.
The password of the Williamites is Sarsfield, strange but true,
And with that word upon our lips, we'll pass the sentries through.
Then when you hear my voice upraised, charge boldly, one an all,
No cannon from this convoy e'er must bark at Limerick's wall."

The sleepy sentry, on his rounds, perhaps was musing o'er
His happy days of childhood on the pleasant English shore.
Perhaps was thinking of this home and wishing he were there,
When springtime makes the English land so wonderfully fair.
At last our horses' hoof-beats and our jingling arms he heard.
"Halt! Who goes there?" the sentry cried: "Advance and give the word."
"The word is Sarsfield," cried our chief. "And stop us he who can.
For Sarsfield is the word tonight, And Sarsfield is the man."

One bursting cheer, one headlong charge, and sabres bright and keen
Are hacking at the foeman's heads where'er a head is seen.
The colonel leaves his wig behind, bestrides a horse and flies
To tell of Sarsfield's daring and the convoy camp's surprise.
We make a pile of captured guns and powder-bags and stores,
Then skyward in one flaming blast the great explosion roars.
And then we sang, as back we rode, with Sarsfield in the van:
"Ho! Sarsfield is the word tonight and Sarsfield is the man."

The night we rode with Sarsfield, I shall always hold it dear,
Though he is dead on Landen Plain, this many and many a year.
Though he is dead and I am old, my hair all silver white
That clustered black and curly 'neath my trooper's cap that night.
For I was one of Sarsfield's men, while yet a boy in years,
I rode as one of Sarsfield's men and men were my compeers.
They're dead, the most of them, afar, yet they were Ireland's sons
Who saved the walls of Limerick from the might of English guns.


Thursday, 28 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Clonygaheen


Clonygaheen

The Civil Survey records that the lads in this townland are owned by the Earle of Bath.

However it also says

“The sd. Earle of Bath pprictor in fee by Grant from the Croune of the iid halfe pld of the ad halfe PM of ClonigffsYne uppon the attainder of Teige Ryan (as wee are informed) but what rent is reserved thereout to the Croune wee know not.”

So it appears there is or was a Ryan interest in this townland.

In the Hearth Money Rolls there is a Rory Ryane listed in the townland and when we analysed the various records for the townland we found that Ryans were recorded there until at least the 1911 Census.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/09/hearth-money-rolls-clonygaheen.html


 

Bendubh - Cloncannon

 


High above Moneygal; is Bendubh mountain and near the summit is a Cairn. 

It is described as Dermot & Grania’s Bed in the 25” OS Maps from the early 1900s.

 


On archaeology.ie it is detailed as follows:

“Situated on top of a mountain with extensive views. A sunken area (diam. 2.5m; D 0.8m) enclosed by a low cairn of flat slabs some of which have names inscribed on their surface (overall diam. 5.2m; H 0.4m). This could be a small cairn of prehistoric date or a nineteenth-century cairn associated with a local folk tradition. Not depicted on 1st ed. (1840) OS 6-inch map.”



I do recall references to it in the Schools Manuscripts but I can’t find them to hand. Once I stumble across them again I will update the post here.

It would be interesting to see who the names inscribed record? 



Tuesday, 26 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Doonane

 


Doonane

Downane appears to be todays Doonane. In Downane the following are recorded in the Civil Survey;

Connell Ryan of Downane Gent

Edmond Ryan of Downane Gent

Rory McOwen Mc Cragh of Downane Gent

Daniell mc Phillipp mc Cragh of Curraghduffe

 

There is no clear-cut link between this Civil Survey record and the later Hearth Money Rolls. However one possibility is that Edmond McTeige is in fact Edmond Ryan in the CS and that his father was a Teige Ryan.

Is there any link between the Connell Ryan and Conor Ryan? The names do some slightly similar, could it be a transcription error. The only thing that could be argued as evidence is that Conor Rian has two hearths which would suggest he has a better class of house. Could this be evidence of him being a “gent”?

There are Ryans (Including Teiges and Timothys, could they be anything to that potential Edmond McTeige Ryan?) in the later Records such as the Griffiths Valuation and 1911 Census.

There is also interestingly a Honoria McGrath in the Griffiths Valuation, could she be a descendant of the McGraths mentioned in the CS?

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-doonane-toorataggart.html


Monday, 25 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Garraunbeg

 


Garraunbeg

An old name for Garraunbeg is Gurranenagrelagh - https://www.logainm.ie/en/46469

This townland is recorded in the Civil Survey

Wm. Oge Ryan of Sollaghod Esq.

John Ryan of Craig. Esq.

Henry McWm. mcCragh of Curraghduffe. Gent.

Morrogh McHenry mcCragh of Curraghduff. Gent.

Teige McHenry mcCragh of Curraghduff. Gent.

In the Hearth Money Rolls there is still a Teige McHenry. So it is possible this is the same person as the Teige McHenry mcCragh in the Civil Survey.

There is are a number of McTeiges and these may be sons of Teige McHenry McGrath.

Unfortunately there is no mention of McGraths in this townland in later records.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/hearth-money-rolls-garraunbeg.html


Saturday, 23 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Killoscully / Aughavehir

 





Killoscully

Again Killoscully isn’t specifically recorded in the Civil Survey even though its various townlands are recorded under the United Parishes of Killoskully & Killcomonty.

There is however the townland of Aghvehir which seems to correspond roughly on the Down Survey map (Possibly along with Cruary). It is mentioned twice and I’m not sure why that is exactly. (It is dealt with similarly on the Down Survey map).

Firstly we have

Derby McWilliam Ryan of Rassane gt.

James oge Ryan of Gortcassane gt.

It also unusually records that Derby McWilliam Ryan purchased his lands there from Dermott Mc Danniell of Aghvehir.

Another record for Aghvehir says

William oge Ryan of Clonbricke Esqr.

Edmond Ryan of Ballyourigan. Gt.

This area doesn’t seem to be mentioned in the transplantation decrees.

In the Hearth Money Rolls there are no Ryans mentioned. However there is the interesting Wm. McDerby.

Could he be the son of Derby McWilliam Ryan of Rassane who purchased the lands from Dermott Mc Danniell? One we can’t be sure of but interesting none the less.

In another entry in nearby Cruary there is a William Mc Daniell Ryan of Cruary. Could Dermott Mc Danniell be a brother of William Mc Daniell Ryan?

Looking at subsequent records for Killoscully there are Ryans there in the 1911 Census. However

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/hearth-money-rolls-killoscully.html

However we also probably need to look at Aughavehir for cluses as well.

1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Killoscully/Aughavehir/

1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Killoscully/Aughavehir/

Ryans in both of these.

In the Griffiths Valuation there are 3 Ryans for Aughavehir.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Killoscully&townland=Aughavehir&search=Search

In the Tithe Appointments there are 3 Ryans also in the townland.

So in theory any of these could be descendants of the Ryan in the Civil Survey. At this stage it will be impossible to know. 


Friday, 22 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Oakhampton



Oakhampton

There isn’t an individual Civil Survey (CS) entry for Oakhampton. Firstly Oakhampton used to be called Colevacke (and its many variations). There is however an entry for Macnigh which is the modern Mackney and just to the south of Oakhampton.

Also in CS entry for Macnigh there is a

Rory Ryan of Culebacke (Gent)

William Oge Ryan of Clonebricke (Esquire)

 

So it looks like we are in the right area.

In the Hearth Money Roll for Oakhampton there is no Rory Ryan recorded but there is an Owen Ryan.

The explanation for this is the a Rory Mc Daniel Ryan was listed for transplantation. In Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 113 -  Ryan, Rory Mc Daniel; of Colebracke in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive land in Boyounagh in Ballymoe in Galway – 400acres.

One interesting thing to note, in the HMR 1666-67 there is a Daniell McRorye.

Could he be Daniell son of Rory Ryan (McRorye) who was Rory son of Daniel (Mc Daniel)? So if Rory Ryan was transplantated or died before the HRM, did his son live on in the area?

Ryan continue in the area until the 1911 Census but there is nothing we can do at this remover to link them with the Ryans from the CS / transplantation decree.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-for-oakhampton.html