Civil Survey Notes - Gortmore

 

Gortmore

In the Civil Survey for Gortmore the following are recorded

Dermott O Bryen of  Gortmore Gent

Mathew O Bryen of Gortmore Gent

Knockaneneglasny seems to form part of the modern townland of Gortmore and in that are recorded

Downe mc Donogh Bryen of Knockaneneglasny Gent.

Morthogh Bryen of the same Gent

Dermot O Bryen of Gortmore Gent.

Teige Bryen of Carriggall Gent &

Donogh O Bryen of Carriggall

Similarly Knockanecreegh seems to form part of the modern townland of Gortmore and there is recorded.

Teige O Bryen of Cariggall Gent

Mathew Bryen of Carriggall Gent

Therlagh Bryen of Carriggall Gent

Donogh Bryen of Carriggal Gent

This record also mentions that Donogh Bryen's father was a Daniel Bryen. 

There is another record that seems to form part of modern Gortmore – namely Toburteriffe.

Connor O Bryen of Knockane Esqr

Mortagh O Bryen of Toburteriffe

Donogh O Bryen of Toburteriffe

Doune McDonogh of Knockaneneglasny

Dermott O Bryen of Gortmore &

Teige Bryen of Toburteriffe

So there were a lot of people that had an interest in the modern townland of Gortmore at this time.

One of the most interesting is Dermot O’Brien. He is a large landowner here and in other townlands. There are two Dermot MacIBriens listed as sons of Murrough na Tuath or Tuogh Mac I Brien (who was a brother of Mac I Brien Bishop of Killaloe) however we can’t currently link them together.

A Dermot O’Brien is listed to be transplanted to Connacht in Simington’s Transplantation to Connacht. He listed to be transplanted to the Parish of Killuran (Lr.) Bunratty in the Barony of Tulla in Clare and to receive 547 acres there. There are no O’Briens listed in the parish in the Griffiths Valuation.

This may tie in with the fact that there is a Dermot O’Brien listed in the Hearth Money Rolls living in a 2 fireplace house.

He may also be the same person that is recorded in the missing medieval gravestone in Burgessbeg with the following inscription “"Hic jacet Donatus Dermitius als Bryn de Gortmore'. “Here lies Donagh Dermot O’Brien of Gortmore”. It may be a record of a Donagh & Dermot O’Brien. It is carved in black lettering which is often a feature of the 1500 / 1600s.

A daughter (Shragh) of this Dermot marries a Daniel Glissane.

Less certain there are a number of Donagh (or variants) O’Bryens in the Civil Survey who could be the other name on the gravestone.

Downe mc Donogh Bryen of Knockaneneglasny Gent.

Donogh O Bryen of Carriggall

Donogh O Bryen of Toburteriffe

Doune McDonogh of Knockaneneglasny (probably Downe mc Donogh Bryen of Knockaneneglasny Gent)

However the HMR doesn’t record any Donagh O’Briens in Gortmore and associated areas but there are a number in the half-barony.

In Knockaneneglasny in the HMR there is a Mortagh McTeige who could possibly be a son of Teige O’Bryen of Carriggall.

In Knockanecreegh in the HMR there is a Thurloe Byran who could possibly be Therlagh Bryen of Carriggal.

There are lots of other O’Briens and Briens etc in the HMR but none that could be linked with any certainty.

One interesting name that I know nothing about is a John Roche who appears in various records.

In the Civil Survey in Kilmcstully is listed a

John Roch of Cranagh

He is an Irish Papist.

The sd John Roch Proprietor of one pld In Kilmcstully in fee by Descent from his ffather Thomas Roch. who purchased the same from Kenedy mcMahowne Inheritor thereof about the yeare 1610 (as wee are informed).

Next we find him listed for transplantation to Connacht in Simington’s Transplanation to Connacht. He was to be transplanted to the Barony of Ballymoe and the parish of Templetogher. There are 4 Roches listed in the parish in the Griffiths Valuation with very small holdings.

However we next find a John Roch in Gortmore in the Hearth Money Rolls.

We looked at the Hearth Money Rolls before here.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-gortmore.html

O’Briens and Hogans carry down in the townland to the Griffiths Valuation but nothing that can be conclusively linked. 

Hearth Money Rolls - Gortmore

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67
The following names were recorded in Gortmore townland (Gortmore).
(There was no return for 1665)

Dermott	O'Bryan
Wm.	McIncroid
Dermod	Gleessane
Teige	O'Hickey
John	Roch
Bryan	O'Bryan
Mahony	Bane
Daniell	McBryan
Hugh	O'Flahortye
Bryan	Cormockane

There is also a record for a location – Tober. I think this maybe Toberterife which was located within the townland of Gortmore so we will include those here also.

Daniell	O'Thoidy
Gully Kully	O'Hickey
Don	Cammane
Thurloe	Bryan
Don	O'Reyan

There is also a record for a location – Crockanaghessie. I think this maybe Knockaneneglasney which was located within the townland of Gortmore so we will include those here also.

 

Daniell	O'Bryan
Bryan	O'Bryan
Mortagh	McTeige
Connor	Cormockane
Bryan	O'Bryan

 

Beside Crockanaghessie was Crockancrigille. I think was Knockanecreegh and this was also located within the townland of Gortmore.

Morrish	Hogane
Bryan	O'Bryan
Thurloe	Bryan
Daniell	Kearny

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression and seems to be confirmed here.

In Gortmore we find a heavily Gaelicised townland. Dermot O’Brien seems to be the most important landowner.

He may be who is buried at the missing gravestone in Burgessbeg graveyard.

From Gleeson Churches in the Deanery of Ormond (1951) as following; 'close to the east end of the south wall is a tombstone (broken) of the Uí Briain family partly in black letter. It is inscribed "Hic jacet Donatus Dermitius als Bryn de Gortmore'.

He is also mentioned in the History of Ely O Carroll territory as having a daughter Shragh who marries Daniel Glissane.

There are also Gleesons, Hickeys, Flahertys and McCormack / Cormicans. Some of the interesting names are McIncroid? I’m not sure what that one is McInerney perhaps?

We also have a Roch which may be Roche? An intriguing one is Bane? It could be related to a name like Bannon but I wondered could be a distinguishing nickname, perhaps for an O’Brien. O’Brien Ban anyone? Another intriguing one is McBryan, there are only three McBryan / McBryens recorded in the Hearth Rolls, is that of significance in relation to the O’Briens moniker in the half-barony MacIBrien?

In Tober the names are similarly pretty much all Gaelic. The first surname is O’Thoidy, again I’m not certain what that surname is? There are Hickeys, Commauns, O’Briens and I think O’Reyan is Ryan.

In Knockaneneglasney it is similar and we have O’Briens, McCormack / Cormicans and a McTeige.

In Knockanecreegh we have O’Briens, Hogans & Kearneys.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 but we don’t have a copy of that.


In the later Griffiths valuation, there are O’Briens, Hogans, Ryans and Gleesons. Unfortunately none of the rarer names carry through.

By 1901 Ryans, Hogans and Gleesons still live in the townland but surprisingly no O’Briens.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Burgesbeg/Gortmore/

And still in 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Burgesbeg/Gortmore/

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Civil Survey Notes - Carrigmadden

 

Carrigmadden

The following are recorded as landowners in the Civil Survey

Richard late Earle of Corke

Loghlen O Hogan of Gortaschehy gt.

Morrogh O Bryen of Glassybriddy gent

Therlagh Bryen of Belline Gent

Donogh Bryen of Bellanaha Esqr.

In the Hearth Money Rolls we do find a Terlagh Bryen living in Carrigmadden. However if was “of Belline” in the Civil Survey this lessens the chance of it being the same person.

For more on the later records see the below link.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-carrigmadden.html

We do find some Hogans in later records but no O’Briens or variants.

Hearth Money Rolls - Carrigmadden

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Carrigmadden townland (Carrigmudin / Carrigmudeene).

Donnogh Hogane

Terlagh Bryen

James   Moylane

Wm       McJohn

In the 1666-1667 add-in / additional report the following are recorded.

James   Moylane

Downe Hogane

Patrick  White

William McShane

Teige     Hogane

John      Oge

William Stephens

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

Donnogh Hogan is first in 1665 and I presume that is him listed as Downe Hogane in 1666-67. James Moylan is listed first in 1667-67 and 3rd in 1665. In 1665 we have Wm McJohn and I think this may be William McShane in 1666-67. Shane / Shaun can be interchangeable with Séan / John.

So based on these names some of the more important landowners are Gaelic. We also have an O’Brien and Oge or Younger of maybe another surname in the area. Two surnames that it is uncertain of the origin are White (we have wondered before whether it could refer to Bán) and Stephens. Stephens could be a name of English origin (along with his first name) but he is listed last in the list and so doesn’t appear to be of high status.

Interestingly this is the only example of the surname Moylan in the half-barony. However there is a townland called Ballymoylin to the north-west of Carrigmadden. When I was looking for an explanation of the meaning of the surname, one suggestion was that it was related to the surname Moylan. Could James Moylan be connected to the family who Ballymoylin was called after?   

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 –

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Youghalarra&townland=Carrigmadden&search=Search

We do have Hogan in these but with the frequency of the surname in the half-barony it is not conclusive.

In the later Griffiths valuation (see picture)

Hogan continues but no other surnames reappear.

In 1901 we have the following 
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Youghalarra/Carrigmadden/

Hogan has dropped off.

In 1911 we have the following
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Youghalarra/Carrigmadden/

All the Hearth Money roll names have dropped off.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Civil Survey Notes - Curraghtemple

 

Curraghtemple

In the Civil Survey the following are recorded

Mortagh O Bryen of Kilcolman

John O Hogan of Curraghtemple gt.

Donogh O Hogan of Curraghtemple gt.

Donogh O Hogan of Bellarussin gt.

 

None of these names continue in the Hearth Money Rolls but we do have a Transplantation decree that is relevant.

A John Hogan is listed to be transplanted from Curraghtemple to Ballymoe Barony and the parish of Boyounagh in Simington’s Transplantation to Connacht. There are no Hogans recorded in this townland in the Griffiths Valuation.

Although we compared the Hearth Money Rolls with later records for this townland.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-curraghtemple.html

 

We didn’t compare them with the Civil Survey. In the Griffiths Valuation we do find a John Hogan living in Curraghtemple in the 1840s but not in any records after that.

There is also an O’Brien in the townland in the 1840s.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Curraghtanfill&parish=Youghalarra&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

Hearth Money Rolls - Curraghtemple

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Curraghtemple townland (Curraghtemple).

John	Lambfry
Donnogh	O'Curmuk
Patrick	White

 

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

John Lambfry is the first name and to me it looks to be a name of English origin. Next we have Donnogh O’Curmuk and this seems to come from the McCormack / Cormican surname. Lastly we have Patrick White, this name could be English or could be an Anglicisation of Bán.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – the townland is wrongly listed as Curraghtanfill.

 
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Curraghtanfill&parish=Youghalarra&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

 

None of the Hearth Money Rolls names survive.

Similarily, in the later Griffiths valuation none of the names resurface. (See picture)

 

In the 1901 Census we find the following https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Youghalarra/Curraghtemple/

In the 1911 Census we find the following
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Youghalarra/Curraghtemple/

None of the Hearth Money names resurface so we don’t know what happen to them. There are no Lambfrys or similar names recorded in the Ormond Historical Societies burial registers for the wider area.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

The Rebellious MacIBrien Sisters

Coat of Arms at the entrance to Killoskehane Castle today. 

We have seen previously that Onnor MacIBrien married to Lewis Walsh and her sister Slaney MacIBrien married to Teige O'Brien of Thomond were both scheduled for transplantation to Connacht as a result of the 1641 rebellion. 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/civil-survey-notes-monroe.html

However their sister More / Maura MacIBrien was also scheduled for transplantation! More or Maura was married to James Butler of Killoskehane between Borrisoleigh and Templemore. 

He owned a tower-house there which is still standing as part of the impressive Killoskehane Castle.

https://www.killoskehane.com/

Their son Theobald Butler is listed as owning it in the Civil Survey. 

If this is correct about Theobald Butler - it may explain how the rebellious MacIBrien Sisters got involved in the rebellion. 

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/Butler-8984

It states that this Theobald Butler was involved in the 1641 rebellion and he was implicated in the incident in Cashel where 11 Englishmen were killed.  

O'Dwyer in "The History of the O'Dwyers" states pg 219 "Theobald Butler of Killoskehan and his brother Richard ... The above Commanders reposing themselves that night ..... had not such care over their soldiers as to keep them from the barbarous and inhuman killing of ten of the English neighbours ..... etc" 

https://1641.tcd.ie/deposition/?depID=821237r160

If this is true it is likely that the rest of the MacIBrien sister's husbands may have been involved in the 1641 rebellion as well leaving them possibly as widows to carry out afterwards. 

More / Maura / Margaret is listed as follows in Simington - 

Tipperary - Butler, More (? Maura), alias Bryan - Killoskan - She is allocated 600 acres in Kilmoon Parish in the Barony of the Burren in Co. Clare.