Monday, 31 March 2025

Civil Suvey Notes - Corbally

 


Corbally

The following are recorded in the Civil Survey for Corbally

Daniell O Bryen of Clonibryen Gent

Bryen O Bryen of the same gt.

Connor O Bryen of the same gt.

Teige O Bryen of the same gt.

It seems to be linked in with Cloneybrien.

In the Hearth Money Rolls there is a Brian O’Bryan. However that seems to be a very common O’Brien name.

In the previous analyses for the townland in the Hearth Money Rolls – we do find that the O’Brien name just about survives in the townland down to the 1911 Census. Whether there is any link we will probably never be able to confirm.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-corbally.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Corbally

 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67 (There isn’t a 1665 return.)


The following names were recorded in Corbally townland (Corbally).

Recorded are

Bryan

O'Bryan

John

O'Minoge

Rory

Flanory

William

Biren

Miles

Bourke

William

McMahooney

Mort

Ne Donogh


Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So in this case we have Brian O’Brien as the main landowner. We also have Minogue, Flannery, Byrne, Bourke & McMahon. They all seem fairly straight forward and with exception of Bourke would be all Gaelic. Bourke would be early Anglo-Norman in origin. Mort Ne Donogh is very interesting. Ne Donogh would suggest a woman but Mort isn’t a woman’s name. So either Mort is incorrect or else the Ne part is incorrect.


The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

Corbally - Smithwick

Darby Magrath

Michael Manogue

Jerry Brien

James Roche

Brien O’Brien

? Roche

Michael Brien

William Brien

John Roche

James Roche

Michael Brien

James Roche Jr

Corbally – Hogan

William & Matt Hogan

Hill division

William & Matt Hogan

 

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

The surname Minogue and O’Brien continue in the townland from the Hearth Money Rolls.

In the later Griffiths valuation Minogue & O’Brien continue but none of the Hearth Money Roll names seem to reappear. (See pictures) The townland seems to be very densely populated.











See the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Corbally/

By this time Minogues are gone but O’Briens are still there. The name McMahon reappears.


And 1911 census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Corbally/

McMahon is not recorded and only O’Brien survives from the Hearth Money Rolls.


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

Civil Survey Notes - Castlecrannagh

 

Castlecrannagh

The following were recorded in the Civil Survey in

Castlecrannagh

John Roch of Killnacrannagh Gent

In Crannagh we find

Richard late Earle of Corke

These are adjacent townlands so we will deal with them together.

John Roch of Cranagh

He is an Irish Papist.

Joch Roch is also listed in Kilmcstully with the following description.

“The sd John Roch Proprietor of one pld In Kilmcstully in fee by Descent from his ffather Thomas Roch. who purchased the same from Kenedy mcMahowne Inheritor thereof about the yeare 1610 (as wee are informed).“

In Crannagh he is listed as follows

“The sd John Roch Proprietor  in fee by purches of his Rather Thomas Roch (as wee are informed) from Teige mc. Therlagh Duffe of the sd. pid of Killnacranagh long before the Rebellion.”

Next we find him listed for transplantation to Connacht in Simington’s Transplanation to Connacht. He was to be transplanted to the Barony of Ballymoe and the parish of Templetogher. There are 4 Roches listed in the parish in the Griffiths Valuation with very small holdings.

However we then next find a John Roch in Gortmore in the Hearth Money Rolls.

In later records for the area there aren’t any Roches in Castlecrannagh (or Kilnacranna or Gortmore).

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-castlecranna.html

Although there are Roches in Griffiths Valuation in the wider Arra area. 

We also find in Simington that a Dermot Hogan of Cranagh was listed for transplantation to Connacht. He is listed to go to Boyounagh Parish in Ballymoe Barony in County Galway. There are no Hogans in the Griffiths Valuation in that parish.

There is a Denis Hogan in the Tithe Applotment Books in Castlecranna and a John Hogan in the Griffiths Valuation but none in the 1901 / 1911 Census.


Hearth Money Rolls- Castlecranna

 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Castlecranna townland (Castlecrannagh).

Alex       Ovington

William Cormuck 

James   Mullane

There is no 1666/67 return.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

Ovington is likely to be a surname related to an English Settler. McCormuck / Cormican and Mullane would be Gaelic surnames.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1826

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Castle+Cranna&parish=Kilmastulla&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilmastulla&townland=Castlecranna&search=Search

Unfortunately none of the Hearth Money Roll names feature.


In the later Griffiths valuation (pictured) again no mention.






The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Burgesbeg/Castlecranna/

The 1911 Cenus. 
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Burgesbeg/Castlecranna/

The Hearth Money Names don’t resurface.


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

Friday, 28 March 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Gortmore

 


Gortmore

In the Civil Survey for Gortmore the following are recorded

Dermott O Bryen of  Gortmore Gent

Mathew O Bryen of Gortmore Gent




Knockaneneglasny seems to form part of the modern townland of Gortmore and in that are recorded

Downe mc Donogh Bryen of Knockaneneglasny Gent.

Morthogh Bryen of the same Gent

Dermot O Bryen of Gortmore Gent.

Teige Bryen of Carriggall Gent &

Donogh O Bryen of Carriggall




Similarly Knockanecreegh seems to form part of the modern townland of Gortmore and there is recorded.

Teige O Bryen of Cariggall Gent

Mathew Bryen of Carriggall Gent

Therlagh Bryen of Carriggall Gent

Donogh Bryen of Carriggal Gent

This record also mentions that Donogh Bryen's father was a Daniel Bryen. 


There is another record that seems to form part of modern Gortmore – namely Toburteriffe.

Connor O Bryen of Knockane Esqr

Mortagh O Bryen of Toburteriffe

Donogh O Bryen of Toburteriffe

Doune McDonogh of Knockaneneglasny

Dermott O Bryen of Gortmore &

Teige Bryen of Toburteriffe

So there were a lot of people that had an interest in the modern townland of Gortmore at this time.

One of the most interesting is Dermot O’Brien. He is a large landowner here and in other townlands. There are two Dermot MacIBriens listed as sons of Murrough na Tuath or Tuogh Mac I Brien (who was a brother of Mac I Brien Bishop of Killaloe) however we can’t currently link them together.

A Dermot O’Brien is listed to be transplanted to Connacht in Simington’s Transplantation to Connacht. He listed to be transplanted to the Parish of Killuran (Lr.) Bunratty in the Barony of Tulla in Clare and to receive 547 acres there. There are no O’Briens listed in the parish in the Griffiths Valuation.

This may tie in with the fact that there is a Dermot O’Brien listed in the Hearth Money Rolls living in a 2 fireplace house.

He may also be the same person that is recorded in the missing medieval gravestone in Burgessbeg with the following inscription “"Hic jacet Donatus Dermitius als Bryn de Gortmore'. “Here lies Donagh Dermot O’Brien of Gortmore”. It may be a record of a Donagh & Dermot O’Brien. It is carved in black lettering which is often a feature of the 1500 / 1600s.

A daughter (Shragh) of this Dermot marries a Daniel Glissane.

Less certain there are a number of Donagh (or variants) O’Bryens in the Civil Survey who could be the other name on the gravestone.

Downe mc Donogh Bryen of Knockaneneglasny Gent.

Donogh O Bryen of Carriggall

Donogh O Bryen of Toburteriffe

Doune McDonogh of Knockaneneglasny (probably Downe mc Donogh Bryen of Knockaneneglasny Gent)

However the HMR doesn’t record any Donagh O’Briens in Gortmore and associated areas but there are a number in the half-barony.

In Knockaneneglasny in the HMR there is a Mortagh McTeige who could possibly be a son of Teige O’Bryen of Carriggall.

In Knockanecreegh in the HMR there is a Thurloe Byran who could possibly be Therlagh Bryen of Carriggal.

There are lots of other O’Briens and Briens etc in the HMR but none that could be linked with any certainty.

One interesting name that I know nothing about is a John Roche who appears in various records.

In the Civil Survey in Kilmcstully is listed a

John Roch of Cranagh

He is an Irish Papist.

The sd John Roch Proprietor of one pld In Kilmcstully in fee by Descent from his ffather Thomas Roch. who purchased the same from Kenedy mcMahowne Inheritor thereof about the yeare 1610 (as wee are informed).

Next we find him listed for transplantation to Connacht in Simington’s Transplanation to Connacht. He was to be transplanted to the Barony of Ballymoe and the parish of Templetogher. There are 4 Roches listed in the parish in the Griffiths Valuation with very small holdings.

However we next find a John Roch in Gortmore in the Hearth Money Rolls.

We looked at the Hearth Money Rolls before here.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-gortmore.html

O’Briens and Hogans carry down in the townland to the Griffiths Valuation but nothing that can be conclusively linked. 

Hearth Money Rolls - Gortmore

 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67
The following names were recorded in Gortmore townland (Gortmore).
(There was no return for 1665)

Dermott

O'Bryan

Wm.

McIncroid

Dermod

Gleessane

Teige

O'Hickey

John

Roch

Bryan

O'Bryan

Mahony

Bane

Daniell

McBryan

Hugh

O'Flahortye

Bryan

Cormockane


There is also a record for a location – Tober. I think this maybe Toberterife which was located within the townland of Gortmore so we will include those here also.

Daniell

O'Thoidy

Gully Kully

O'Hickey

Don

Cammane

Thurloe

Bryan

Don

O'Reyan


There is also a record for a location – Crockanaghessie. I think this maybe Knockaneneglasney which was located within the townland of Gortmore so we will include those here also.

 

Daniell

O'Bryan

Bryan

O'Bryan

Mortagh

McTeige

Connor

Cormockane

Bryan

O'Bryan

 

Beside Crockanaghessie was Crockancrigille. I think was Knockanecreegh and this was also located within the townland of Gortmore.

Morrish

Hogane

Bryan

O'Bryan

Thurloe

Bryan

Daniell

Kearny


Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression and seems to be confirmed here.

In Gortmore we find a heavily Gaelicised townland. Dermot O’Brien seems to be the most important landowner.

He may be who is buried at the missing gravestone in Burgessbeg graveyard.

From Gleeson Churches in the Deanery of Ormond (1951) as following; 'close to the east end of the south wall is a tombstone (broken) of the Uí Briain family partly in black letter. It is inscribed "Hic jacet Donatus Dermitius als Bryn de Gortmore'.

He is also mentioned in the History of Ely O Carroll territory as having a daughter Shragh who marries Daniel Glissane.

There are also Gleesons, Hickeys, Flahertys and McCormack / Cormicans. Some of the interesting names are McIncroid? I’m not sure what that one is McInerney perhaps?

We also have a Roch which may be Roche? An intriguing one is Bane? It could be related to a name like Bannon but I wondered could be a distinguishing nickname, perhaps for an O’Brien. O’Brien Ban anyone? Another intriguing one is McBryan, there are only three McBryan / McBryens recorded in the Hearth Rolls, is that of significance in relation to the O’Briens moniker in the half-barony MacIBrien?

In Tober the names are similarly pretty much all Gaelic. The first surname is O’Thoidy, again I’m not certain what that surname is? There are Hickeys, Commauns, O’Briens and I think O’Reyan is Ryan.

In Knockaneneglasney it is similar and we have O’Briens, McCormack / Cormicans and a McTeige.

In Knockanecreegh we have O’Briens, Hogans & Kearneys.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 but we don’t have a copy of that.


In the later Griffiths valuation, there are O’Briens, Hogans, Ryans and Gleesons. Unfortunately none of the rarer names carry through.



By 1901 Ryans, Hogans and Gleesons still live in the townland but surprisingly no O’Briens.


https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Burgesbeg/Gortmore/

And still in 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Burgesbeg/Gortmore/


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Civil Survey Notes - Carrigmadden

 


Carrigmadden

The following are recorded as landowners in the Civil Survey

Richard late Earle of Corke

Loghlen O Hogan of Gortaschehy gt.

Morrogh O Bryen of Glassybriddy gent

Therlagh Bryen of Belline Gent

Donogh Bryen of Bellanaha Esqr.

In the Hearth Money Rolls we do find a Terlagh Bryen living in Carrigmadden. However if was “of Belline” in the Civil Survey this lessens the chance of it being the same person.

For more on the later records see the below link.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-carrigmadden.html

We do find some Hogans in later records but no O’Briens or variants.