Monday, 18 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Rossaguile

 


Rossaguile

In the Civil Survey for this townland we have

John Ryan Craige Esqr

Theobald Lord Barron of Brittas

Donagh Ryan of Rossygeile

Teige Ryan of Rossygeile

Mortagh Glisan of Rossygeile

 

There is no one recorded in the transplantation decrees from Rossaguile.

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls for the townland, interestingly enough there is a Teige Ryan there in 1666/67.

There is also a Daniel McDonagh. Could he be anything to Donagh Ryan if we take it that Daniel Ryan could be Daniel son of Donagh Ryan? Maybe a bit of a long shot.

 

Ryans are still recorded in this townland in the 1911 census but at this remove it would be impossible unfortunately to connect them.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/09/hearth-money-rolls-rossaguile.html

 


Saturday, 16 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Cragg

 


Cragg

In the Civil Survey for Cragg a John Ryan is listed. John Ryan is almost the equivalent of John Smith in Tipperary. In the Griffiths Valuation in the 1840s there are over 1300 John Ryans recorded.

However this particular John Ryan was an Esquire and owned close to 3000 acres (not just in Cragg obviously). As far as I know he was the 2nd son of William O’Mulryan of Annagh – Chieftain of the O’Mulryans of Owney.

At Cragg he is recorded as owning Cragg Castle in the Civil Survey “Upon the sd. lands of Crage standeth test Walls of a Castle & a Barbicon & the ruines an old mill, and are at prsent totally wast wthout any Improvement or accomodacon”

His older Brother Conor O’Mulryan died in 1640 and so at the time of the Civil Survey which is supposed to record the year 1640 but is dated 1654-56 he should have been the Chief of the O’Mulryans.

Come the transplantation decrees of 1656 we find in Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 125 / 261 -  Ryan, John Fitzwilliam; of Craig in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive land in two locations. 500 acres in Ahascragh and 168 acres in Aughrim.

Fitz William backs up that we have the right person – ie son of William Ryan.

Did he ever take that up I’m not sure?

Interestingly come the Hearth Money Rolls of 1666-67, there is a John Ryan recorded still in the townland. Now obviously it is such a common name that we can’t be sure if it is him.

 

There are still Ryans living in the townland in the 1911 census.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-cragg.html

Another interesting note re John Ryan is this gravestone in Kilconnell Abbey recording a William Ryan who died in 1773. Kilconnell being in the same Barony as where John Ryan of Cragg was to be transplanted. It was erected by William’s Son Hugh.

John Ryan of Cragg’s father was William and his Uncle Hugh, obviously it is not possible that it is them by the timeline but could names have been passed down to subsequent generations?


Thursday, 14 November 2024

Broadleas Stone Circle in Co. Kildare

 


One of a number of large stone circles in East Co. Kildare. Broadleas is on private property but viewable from the road. 

It is also known as the "Pipers Stones" (Not to be confused with nearby Athgreany). 

“After a little delay, the remainder of the journey was accomplished to the next regular stoppage, at a place called “The Piper’s Stones.” here, again, Lord Walter Fitzgerald had some information prepared for the members, which he read out at the spot. He explained that the existing objects of antiquarian interest lying a short distance to the south-west of Ballymore-Eustace are three in number. In the first place there are the large boulders of graite placed in a circle 31ft. in diameter in the townland of Broadleas Commons, called “The Piper’s Stones.” They are now 29 in number. Formerly they made up a complete circle of closely placed boulders, though now there are large gaps in the ring showing where in times past many had been broken up and carried away for building purposes.

At a place called Athgreney, there is another similar circle of stones, and in the Deerpark, near Blessington, formerly there was a third one, each called “The Piper’s Stones,” but this latter was demolished years ago for building purposes.

[...] The name, “Piper’s Stones,” was often applied to this class of monument, and must have its origin in some now forgotten legend. The only explanation the old people give for the name is that bagpipe music, played by the “good people” or fairies, is still occasionally heard at the spot.

A quarter of a mile to the north-east of “The Piper’s Stones” are the remains of a Pagan sepulchral moat, called Knockshee, meaning “the fairy hill.” Little of it is now left, three-quarters of it having been demolished years ago, probably by some farmers, for the purpose of top-dressing the adjoining lands.

[...] Half a mile to the north-west of “The Piper’s Stones” is a prostrate granite monolith, known as “The Long Stone.” It formerly stood in a small rath-like enclosure now levelled, and which was thrown down in the year 1836.”

From the Kildare Archaeological Society’s annual excursion reported in the Warder and Dublin Weekly Mail, 22nd September 1900. 

Thanks to Rhiannon here for putting this together. 



Civil Survey Notes - Mountphilips / Cloncummer

 


Mountphilips / Clonecumer

Mountphilips was formerly Cloncummer and is called Clonecumer in the Civil Survey (CS).

In it is recorded for the townland are:

William oge Ryan of Clonbricke Esqr

Rory Ryan of Coulebacke Gent

John Ryan of Clonecumer Gent

Downe Ryan & Teige Ryan of Clonebunny Gent

There doesn’t seem to have been anyone here recorded in the Transplantation Decrees.

However in the Hearth Money Rolls we still find a John Rian in the townland. It is obviously a very common name but there is only circa 20 years between the two records so it is a possibility.

There are also two McRorys and they could be linked to Rory Ryan of Coulebacke but that may be stretching things a little.

This interestingly is one of the townlands where no Ryans are recorded in the later records such as the 1911 census.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/10/hearth-money-rolls-mountphilips.html


Wednesday, 13 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Tullow

 


Tullow

The townland of Tullow forms part of the modern town of Newport. In the various records it goes by many different versions of the same name.

In the Civil Survey (CS) for Tullagh & Purtanenacasky there are three people recorded.

John Ryan of Craig Esqr.

Teige Ryan of Tullagh Gent.

Hugh Ryan of Tullagh Gent.

Intriguingly in 1659 in Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 35 -  Ryan, Teige possibly McOwnhy; of Tully in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive 340 Acres in the parish of Kilkeedy in the Barony of Inchiquin in West Clare.

As the location “Tully” in the Transplantation Decree is uncertain but Tullagh / Tullow seems like a fairly reasonable assumption.

What further strengthens the argument is that in the Hearth Money Rolls for 1665 a Teige Ryan is listed in the return.

Again we can’t be certain but it is definitely interesting, is it the same person or a descendant? We still have Ryans in this townland in the 1911 census. Although it is unlikely at this remove to be able to link back to Teige McOwnhy Ryan (Gent) from 1640. Any descendants would definitely be interesting to DNA test.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/hearth-money-rolls-tullow.html


Tuesday, 12 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Bauraglanna / Glenculloo

 



Bauraglanna

The townland of Bauraglanna makes up some of Glencollow or Glown. It goes by numerous different spellings / versions.

There are some possible connections between the 1600s records as follows:

Wm. Ryan mcOwny of Glancollow is recorded in the Civil Survey (CS). In the HMR 1665 there is a Derby McOwen. So a possible link here?

More definitely there is Wm. Mc Loghlen in the CS and in the Hearth Money Rolls (HMR) 1665 Wm. McMleaghten. So this person seems to have remained in the area during this period. I’m not sure if he is the surname McLoughlin (and variants) or a William son of Loughlin Ryan for example.

There is also a Teige McShane in the CS, he could possibly be the Teige Ryan in the HMR 1665.

In the CS there is a Edd. McConnor and in the HMR 1665 a Rory McConnor. Again not conclusive but a possible link.

Intriguingly in 1659 in Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 51 -  Ryan, John; of Glan in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive 1440 Acres in two locations, one in the parish of Killaloe (Lr) and one in Killuran (Lr) in the Barony of Tulla.

In the HMR 1665 there is a John Ryan listed here in Glencollon.

The is no way of knowing if these are the same people but it is interesting none the less.

Unfortunately nothing 100% conclusive. We still have Ryans in this townland in the 1911 census. Although it is unlikely at this remove to be able to link them back to William McOwny Ryan (Gent) or others in the area from 1654-56. Any descendants would definitely be interesting to DNA test.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/09/hearth-money-rolls-for-bauraglanna.html

 

Sunday, 10 November 2024

Civil Survey notes - Ballyhourigan

 


Ballyhourigan

In the Civil Survey of 1654-56 we find

Edmond Ryan of Ballyourigane (Gent) with a share in 230 Acres of land with a Dermott Ryan of Ballyourigane (Gent).

Edmond also has a share in Aghvehir (Roughly Aughvehir / Killoscully) & Derryleagh (Derryleigh).

Similarly, Dermott of Ballyourigane has shares in Shally (Shallee).

In 1659 in Simingtons Transplantation to Connaught pg 51 -  Ryan, Edmund McTeige; of Ballyiorgan in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive 150 Acres in the parish of Killaloe (Lr) in the Barony of Tulla.

There is a Dermot Ryan from Tipperary (no townland specified) on the same page (51) that is to receive 200 acres. Also in the parish of Killaloe (Lr) in the Barony of Tulla.

We can be fairly sure that the two Edmonds are the same person but less sure that the Dermot is the same.

This you would think is the end of the story, that at least Edmond was transplanted to somewhere in the parish of Killaloe.

Interestingly Ballyhourigan to the edge of Killaloe parish is less than 10kms away.

This may explain how in the Hearth Money Rolls in 1665 we find

Edmond Ryan

Derby McConnor

And in 1666-7

Edmund Ryan

Dermott McConnor

 

We can be relatively sure that we have the same Edmond (McTeigue) here as in the Civil Survey & the Transplantation document. (Edmond may also be son of a Teigue Ryan.) 
We can be less sure about Dermot McConnor but he could be Dermot Ryan son of a Conor Ryan.

Edmond was listed as a Gent in the Civil Survey but now his house has 1 hearth. So he may be in lessened circumstances.

Ballyhourigan is also where in 1691 – Patrick Sarsfield’s men are said to have camped and where “Sarsfield it is said was visited by one of the old O'Ryans of that country, who offered him hospitality.” From Lenihan's "Limerick and its Antiquities" pg 232

Excitingly there were still Ryans living in Ballyhourigan in 1911. Although it is unlikely at this remove to be able to link back to Edmond Ryan (Gent) from 1654-56. Any descendants would definitely be interesting to DNA test.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-ballyhourigan.html