Sunday, 20 October 2024

Ryans of Inch - Burial Place

 


I had wondered for a while where was the burial place of the Ryans of Inch was located. It would make sense that they would be buried in nearby Inch graveyard but there were no grave stones markers indicating the location. I had also wondered could they have been buried at Holycross Abbey.

However it appears from this survey done on historic graves in conjunction with the local community(below) that aa area  in the medieval church has been reused as a vault for the Ryans of Inch burials.

Basically at the rear of a medieval doorway, the vault was constructed and an iron door put in to block it. I'm not sure which of the family are buried there and unfortunately there are no crests or other carvings that could have been associated with the Ryans viewable. 


For more on the history of the Ryans of Inch, see this fantastic thesis. 



Rear of door that has been converted into a vault

Thursday, 17 October 2024

Hearth Money Rolls - Ballymackeogh & Rossary

 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67

The following names were recorded in Ballymackeogh & Rosary townland (Ballymakogh & Rosary).

Daniell

McSkidy

Connor

Oge

Daniell

Geara

William

Roger

Miles

Bourke

Donnogh

McShane

John

McConnor

Teige

Meara

James

Horrigane

Edifices

omitted

Daniell

Clansie

Teige

O'Hea

Teige

Canney

John

Glissane

John

McOwen

Edmund

Roe

Thomas

FitzEdmund

Teigh

Keogh

John

McWilliam

Donnogh

McRory

 

There was no 1665 return.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

We have McSkidy as the main surname. I’m not sure about it, I wonder could it be McSheedy and then son of Sheedy? A possible English settlers is the surname Roger. The rest seem to be Gaelic or Anglo-Norman. There is an O’Gara, Bourke, O’Meara, Hourigan, Clancy, O’Hea, Canny, Gleeson, Roe & McKeogh.   There are a number of Mc / Oge surnames.  These are likely to be descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg Donnogh McRory might actually be Donnogh son of Rory Ryan for example. Similarly FitzEdmund could be a surname in its own right or son / descendant of another Edmund.

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

 

Here https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E8704229DA4ED702%21404&authkey=!AAT0ajkkNO1CYrM

 

There are 4 O’Mearas, 8 Hourigans, No Clancy, No O’Hea, No Canny, No Roe, No O’Gara.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827. There is only one HMR surname and that is Bourke.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Ballymckeagh&search=Search

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Ballymckeogh&search=Search

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Rosary&search=Search

 

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).

In these we have the HMR surnames of Bourke, Gleeson, Hourigan & McKeogh. Canny actually be Kearney?

Ballimakoe & Rushisland

William Ryan Esq.

Edmond Bourke

Patrick Bourke

Hugh Kenedy

John Power

Patrick Maher

Michael Maher

Thomas Deer

Patrick Ryan (Christian)

Patrick Flynn

Thomas Ryan

Hanna Ryan

John Moloney

Joseph Ahearn

Patrick Ahearn

Denis McNamara

Thomas Gleeson

Michael Gleeson

John Collins

Michael Connors

Patrick Ryan

Michael Bourke

Bartholomew McGrath

John Kearney

John Hogan

Patrick Kearney

Denis Ryan

Patrick Troy

Richard Ryan

Mary Donolan

James Kearney

Mary Gaynon

William Power

Michael Murphy

John Connors

Patrick Sweeney

Thomas McCormack

John Ryan (Davis)

Patrick Nihill

John Farrell

Michael Hickey

Timothy Mackey

Patrick Kelly

James Gaynon

Denis Hayes

Thomas Cloughessy

Andrew Coffey

Margret Guerin

John Hourigan

John Kearney

John Berrecree

Daniel McKeogh

Michael Bourke

James Kane

Anne Halfpenney

John Sweeney

Patrick Maher

Widow Maher

Patrick Glasco

Thomas Coffey J

James Maher

Peter Maher

Thomas Connors

William Ryan

Widow Flynn

Rossarry & Mt Rivers

John Hogan

Michael White

Owen Hynes

David Lynch

Patrick Hogan

John Ryan (Tom)

Widow Hogan

Denis Moloney

John Magrath

John McMahon

Roger Farrell

John Moloney

John Griffan

Thomas O'Donnell

James Stack

Richard Philips Esq.

William O'Brien

Widow William Ryan

 

In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); Bourke & McKeogh feature. Could O’Gara (Geara) be Guerin (Geeran)?






The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Ballymackeogh/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Rossary_More/

Bourke & McKeogh continue.

And 1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Ballymackeogh/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Rossarymore/

Bourke & McKeogh continue from the HMRs.

Really interestingly both Bourke & McKeogh continue in the townland from the Hearth Money Rolls to the 1911 census.

If you are related to either of the families here, it would certainly be worth trying to tie together. Ryans are associated with Ballymackeogh but it is interesting to see there are no Ryans there in the Hearth Money Rolls (unless they were “hidden” Mc Ryans).

As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.

 

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html

Tuesday, 15 October 2024

Hearth Money Rolls - Shower

 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67

The following names were recorded in Shower townland (Shower).

Dominick

Hardinge

Maghon

McLaughlin

Lewis

Welch

John

McHugh

John

McMeloghlin

Rory

McOwen

 

There was no 1665 return.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So here we have Harding, Dominic. I think that may be an English settler name. The rest are either Mcs or the Anglo-Norman Welch / Walsh. McLoughlin maybe a surname in its own right. The other Mc surnames are likely to be descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg Rory McOwen might actually be Rory son of Owen Ryan for example. McHugh although a Mc surname could also be a mistranscription of McKeogh.

Lewis Walsh is of interest. There was a Lewis Walsh of Thurles recorded as owning a share in Monroe (in Arra) and some other places in the Civil Survey of 1654-56 Lewis Walsh was the son in law of Mortough Mac-I-brien (Chief of Arra) by married to his daughter Honora. However in the Hearth Money Rolls of Monroe, in 1665 Honora is recorded as a widow. Could this be a son of theirs?

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

 

Here https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E8704229DA4ED702%21404&authkey=!AAT0ajkkNO1CYrM

There are is a John Hardin, a Thos. McLaughlin, 6 Welchs and 13 McKeoghs. John Harding you would have to consider as a strong possible descendant of Dominic due to the rarity of the surname in the area.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827.

There are no HMR surnames according to the below list. However if you look at the original there is a Widow McKeogh and son. Could they be a link to John McHugh / possibly McKeogh above? I haven’t checked the scanned images for many of the Tithe Appointment Books so by the looks of it, it is worth doing for a given area that you are interested in.  

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Shower&parish=Kilvolane&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

 

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).

McKeoghs are listed here again. There is also a Hanning which is an unusual surname, any link to Harding I wonder?

Martin Ahearn

Thomas Ahearn

Michael Coffey (Stephen)

Daniel Coffey (Brazil)

Patrick Coffey (Robin)

John McKeogh

William Ryan (Bil)

Jeremiah Hanning

Michael Sullivan

Thomas Bourke

James Bourke

John Gleeson (Lamb)

Thomas Maddin

John Coffey (Brazil)

Stephen Coffey

Widow McKeogh

John Sullivan

John Maddin

Thomas McCabe

Thomas Gleeson (Cup)

Michael Gleeson (Cup)

Daniel Ahearn

William Ahearn

Patrick Coffey (Shoemaker)

John Coffey (Molly)

James Ryan (Hackler)

James Hickey

John Ahearn

Richard Shinners

John Coffey (Daniel)

Thomas Hanley

James Hanning

Daniel Hanning

Cornelius Hanly

Luke Shinners

Patrick Gleeson (Lamb)

Michael Gleeson (Lamb)

Patrick Coffey (Stephen)

Daniel Murphy

David Murphy

Daniel Byrnes

In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR surnames.




The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Shower/

No HMR surnames (although there is a Keogh as a servant).

And 1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Shower/

No HMR surnames.

So some interesting surnames such as Harding, Walsh and McHugh / McKeogh.

McKeogh seems to carry down to the Griffiths Valuation. It would be interesting to know more about the Lewis Walsh that lived there and his connection to the Walshs of Thurles / Arra. There is a small chance that Hanning in the 1835 could be connected to Harding.   


As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html

Friday, 11 October 2024

Hearth Money Rolls - Kilnacappagh

 


The following names were recorded in Kilnacappagh townland (Killnecaple).

Connor

McOwen

John

McMealagh

William

Connell

Phillip

Connell

Donogh

Casie

Connor

McWilliam

Teige

Oge

William

Lasie

Robert

Hughes

Loghlin

Samon

Connor

McShane

William

Hogan

John

Langile

Connor

Moroney

Mortogh

Reagh

 

There was no 1665 return.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

Its hard to know with this location. The first two surnames are Mc surnames. These forms of Mc surnames are likely to be descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg Conor McOwen might actually be Conor son of Owen Ryan for example. Oge is probably similar as well. There were Connells, Caseys, Hogans, Moroneys, Hughes, Salmon and Reigh, all surnames of Gaelic origin I think.

An interesting name is Langile, could this be Langley? Langley is likely an English settler name but they aren’t the major landowner in the area.  

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

1766 Census for Kilnarath.xlsx

There are no Langleys, Hughes, Salmon or Reigh in that census. There are 3 Connells in the 1766 Census, 5 Caseys & 1 Moroney.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827.

There are no HMR surnames unless Moloney has morphed from Moroney or vice versa.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Kilmananeen&search=Search

 

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).

Other than the possibility of Moloney / Moroney, no other HMR surnames.

Kilenacapa

John Hartigan

John Ryan

Laurence Moloney

William Moloney

William Moloney

Patrick Moloney

Michael Magrath

Martin Ryan

Wm. McNamara

John McNamara

Patrick McNamara

Edmond Hayes

John Hayes

John Wynn

Cornelius McMahon

John Connors

 

In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); Casey reappears from the HMR and there is also a Moloney.

 


The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Kilnacappagh/

 

No Casey this time but still a Moloney.

 

No HMR names.

And 1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Kilnacappagh/

 

Again no Casey but still a Moloney. If Conor Moroney in 1666-7 is in fact a Moloney then you have the surname surviving in the townland until the 1911 census.  

As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.

 

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html


The Northern Lights or Aurora Borealis in Folklore

 


The Northern Lights have always been viewable from Ireland, yet there doesn't seem to be much folklore about them that I know of anyway growing up. Maybe farther North or in coastal areas they would be something that would be more "known" or talked about. 

Looking through the Irish Folklore Commissions Schools Manuscripts that are some references to the Northern Lights and Aurora Borealis. 

In Roscommon the following is recorded 

"Aurora Borealis
It is a sign of something unusual such as storms or gales. There was one at the end of January this year and there was terrible gales after it."

https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4811588/4799577/4929688

They are mentioned here in Cavan as well. In this account they are said to foretell change, a bit like lunar eclipses and other rare events.  

"I am sure everyone saw or heard about the northern lights which are seen by most people in Ireland, England and Scotland. These lights appeared in the sky one evening at the end of January.

That same evening my aunt called my attention to the sky which was becoming slightly pinkish in the west.
I stood for about twenty minutes watching the sky as it was becoming redder by degrees. At half-past seven the sky overhead was red. Sometimes it seemed as if a green mist came over the red. But alas these lights soon faded away. Those who were fortunate enough to see the sky marvelled at the beauty of it.
The proper name for northern lights is auroraborealis. Some people say it foretells of war or trouble. About the end of February, one evening I noticed that the sky was slightly pinkish, after about a quarter of an hour the pink disappeared and the sky was looking very dark, cloudy and angry."

https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5044824/5042016/5085200

There is also an account from Tipperary near Fethard and it seems to link it with the night of the Big Wind in Jan 1839. It doesn't specifically say it but it follows an account of the Night of the Big Wind and is about a Severe Weather event. 

This is backed up by an account of them occuring in Donegal on the Night of the Big Wind here.

"With startling suddeness the wind, striking with wild whistling moans, veered to North and back to North-West. By 8 o'clock the wind was due west. A fierce gale of terrific violence had now developed and it swept through Ireland causing widespread destruction, and reaching its climax by midnight. It still continued with unabated fury until far into the following day, Monday Jan 7th It was a night of terror in Ireland, and very few of its inhabitants closed an eye in sleep.

By 9 o'clock on that memorable Sunday night, as many people were reciting the Rosary, preparatory to retiring, the terrible hurricane from the Western heavens hit cabin and castle; and gathering in fury, it stripped many a house roofless, and hay and corn in cocks, ricks, and stacks were blown fields away, and in many cases miles away Boats were lifted bodily from the shelters, and crashed to pieces on the rocks, and many of them were blown high and dry inland The storm seemed to have disturbed the surface of the sea, because distinct traces of salt was found on vegetation in Tipperary and Offaly many miles distant from the ocean. Mud cabins were tumbled down, and even staunch stone built houses rocked and tottered The streets of villages, towns and cities were strewn with wreckage. Falling chimneys crashed on neighbouring roofs, windows were smashed, and bricks, stones and slates were blown sky high. In towns and cities many outbreaks of fire occured. The cries, moans and shrieks of frightend people, who were huddled together in groups, mingled with th sounds of falling masonry. Strange borealic lights in the Northern sky strengthened the belief that the end of the world had come."

https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4922224/4862304/5021435

Another account from Tipperary near Caher linking the Northern Lights with stormy weather. 

"When the rain is about to fall we see very black clouds in the sky.
If the suns rays are white it is going to be bad weather. If the rain-bow is in the sky there is going to be plenty of rain.
If the birds are flying high it is a sign that it is going to be fine. If they are flying low it is a sign of rain. If the sky is grey it is going to rain.
If insects or midges are flying low in the evening it is a sign it is going to be wet. If the aurora borealis is in the sky it will be stormy."

https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4922257/4864701/5021236

And from Corville School. 

"If the "Aurora Borealis" is seen in the sky it is a sign of a storm." 

https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4922190/4859493/5017842

There are over 60 accounts when you search for Aurora in the collection and of these not surprising it is mentioned in Donegal the most. 

However there is a mention in 19 out of the 26 counties that took part in the Schools Manuscripts including Clare, Sligo, Kilkenny, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford, Carlow, Meath, Monaghan, Westmeath, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary, Donegal, Mayo, Waterford, Cavan & Wicklow. 

There are over 70 accounts of "Northern Lights" and I haven't done the break down on that. 

I'm sure if you did there are probably even more mentions. 

It seems to have been a sign of bad weather in the past and it is interesting to note the storms in the Atlantic at the moment, probably just a coincidence but does the sunspot cycle maybe also have an effect on our weather too? 

Thursday, 10 October 2024

Hearth Money Rolls - Clonsingle

 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665

The following names were recorded in Clonsingle townland (Clonsaigle).

Richard

Shuttey

 

There was no 1666-7 return.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So with only one name, he must also be the most important. However it is does sound like an English surname.

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

1766 Census for Kilnarath.xlsx 

There is no Shuttey in that census.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827.

There are no HMR surnames.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Clemengle&search=Search


There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).

No Shuttey but lots of interesting names.

Robert J. Young Esq.

Robert Lee

John Sullivan

John Ryan

Widow Sweeney

John Guinane

Daniel Healy

Thomas Coffey

John Hanly

Daniel Ryan

Daniel Coffey (Roe)

John Fitzgerald

Jeremiah Ryan (Granny)

Widow Ryan (Patrick)

Patrick Ryan (Patcy)

Patrick Fitzgerald

Widow Ryan (Michael Moon?)

 

In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR surnames carry through.


The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Clonsingle/

No HMR names.


And 1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Clonsingle/

Again no HMR names.

As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.

 

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Clonbealy

 



In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Clonbealy townland (Clonbally).

John

Lane

Edward

Lane

Donogh

Mehane

There was no 1666-7 return.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So in this case we have Lane. There is only one other surname and that is Meehan, likely to be Gaelic in origin.

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm

There are no Lanes but a number of possible variations on Meehan, namely Mihane, Michane and maybe Milane (14).

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827.

There are no HMR surnames.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Clonlaly&search=Search

 

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News) but Clonbealy (Pound st) doesn’t seem to feature

 

In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR surnames carry through.





The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Clonbealy/

 

No HMR names.

And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Clonbealy/

 

Again no HMR names. Meehans do continue in the greater area.

As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html


Tuesday, 8 October 2024

Hearth Money Rolls - Ballykinlalee

 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67
The following names were recorded in Ballykinlalee townlands (Ballikenielly).

Thomas

Winford

Kennedy

Bryan

Owen

McDonogh

William

McDermod

 

There was no return for 1665.

 

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So in this case, Winford. Winford is likely to be of English origin. The rest of the surnames are likely to be of Gaelic origin ie O’Brien & Mc surnames. These are likely to be descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg William McDermod might actually be William son of Dermot O’Brien.

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm

There isn’t any Winford or variations in it.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilcomenty&townland=Ballykenlilee&search=Search

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilcomenty&townland=Ballykenly&search=Search

No HMR names. (As an aside there is a Lauce Anglesee and I wonder could he be related to John Anglee of Newport / Foxhall Puoryne Bryen)

  

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News) but Ballykinalee is not recorded.

In the later Griffiths valuation (see picture), no HMR surnames.





The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Killoscully/Ballykinlalee/

And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Killoscully/Ballykinlalee/

No HMR names.

I will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html

 

 

Friday, 4 October 2024

Recently rediscovered megalithic stone pair in Tipperary


When people say everything that has been discovered, has already been discovered, this stone pair is a case in point that it most certainly hasn't. 

This standing stone pair isn't hidden up in some remote valley but by the side of a road, just inside the ditch. It is however in an upland area and would have been relatively remote over the years.

I was chatting to local man, Ger Hickey, about trying to find a stone with rock-art in the Arra Mountain area. We thought we were on the trail of it but it ran cold unfortunately for the time being. 

In passing he mentioned these stones and of course like a lot of unrecorded stuff, most people just presume that it is "known" about. 

I was able to help record them with the National Monuments Service. The map viewer on archaeology.ie isn't updating currently and I don't know when this will be fixed but they are now officially recorded I'm assured by the archaeologist that I reported them to. 

I recently got some old photos from a relative of local historian Mikie Joy and within them were old photos of the pair. Mikie knew about these stones well over 30 years ago but didn't know who to report them to or maybe did but was just ignored. If I hadn't know about them through Ger, I'd be scratching my head trying to figure out where the stones in the photos were! 



So Tipperary has another stone pair and they are aligned in a roughly north-east - south-west direction. I didn't measure their height but they are both in the 1m to 1.2m high range tall. 

I particularly like the one with the unusual hooked shape top. 

As always, they are on private land and permission is required to access the land. 

Thursday, 3 October 2024

Hearth Money Rolls - Mountphilips

 



In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Mountphilips townland (Clonminer & Cloncamer).

Cptn.

Chapley

Cptn.

John

McThomas

John

McRory

Wm.

McRory

Donnogh

McConnor

Amfrie

Torner

Connor

Oge

Morrogh

McShane

 

There was also a 1666-7 return as follows.

Richard

Dingle

John

Coplie

Umphrey

Stanley

John

Rian

Donnell

McDaniell

Connor

Oge

WIlliam

McRory

Don

Cnavine

Dermott

Morowney


Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So in this case we have Cptn Chapley in the first return and Richard Dingle in the 2nd. The two returns vary greatly with only William McRory being common to both. Chapley / Copley could possible also be the same name?

There seems to have been a number of English settlers in this area, Chapley / Copley, Turner, Dingle & Stanley all are likely to be of this origin.

There are a number of Gaelic names in the townland, Ryan & Moroney. There are also a lot of Mc surnames, likely to be descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg John & William Mc Rory might actually be Sons of Rory Ryan for example. Oge is similar. Cnavine I’m not sure about?

 

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm

No Chapley / Copley, Dingle, Stanley.

There is a Thomas Turner though. The surname is very rare in the area.

There is a John Morony but that is a name that might be more difficult to link together.

Ryan and the Mc / Oge surnames would be very difficult to link together.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827.

No HMR names.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Mount%20Pholess&search=Search

 

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).

No HMR names carry through.

William Philips Esq.

Michael Ward

John Healy

Samuel Preston

William Carey

William Bourke

Edmond Healy

John Carey

In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR names.

The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilcomenty/Mountphillips/

No HMR names.

And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilcomenty/Mountphillips/

 

No HMR names. Unfortunately none of the surnames in the HMR seemed to have stayed in the townland.

As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html