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My blog looks at the archaeology and heritage of sites in Tipperary and surrounding areas. As many of these sites are on private property, it is important to request permission from the landowner before entering private lands so that access does not become a problem across all sites.
Sunday, 20 October 2024
Ryans of Inch - Burial Place
Thursday, 17 October 2024
Hearth Money Rolls - Ballymackeogh & Rossary
In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67
The following names were recorded in Ballymackeogh &
Rosary townland (Ballymakogh & Rosary).
Daniell |
McSkidy |
Connor |
Oge |
Daniell |
Geara |
William |
Roger |
Miles |
Bourke |
Donnogh |
McShane |
John |
McConnor |
Teige |
Meara |
James |
Horrigane |
Edifices |
omitted |
Daniell |
Clansie |
Teige |
O'Hea |
Teige |
Canney |
John |
Glissane |
John |
McOwen |
Edmund |
Roe |
Thomas |
FitzEdmund |
Teigh |
Keogh |
John |
McWilliam |
Donnogh |
McRory |
There was no 1665 return.
Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most
important landowner. At least that is my impression.
We have McSkidy as the main surname. I’m not sure about it,
I wonder could it be McSheedy and then son of Sheedy? A possible English settlers
is the surname Roger. The rest seem to be Gaelic or Anglo-Norman. There is an O’Gara,
Bourke, O’Meara, Hourigan, Clancy, O’Hea, Canny, Gleeson, Roe & McKeogh. There are a number of Mc / Oge surnames. These are likely to be descendants of someone
else rather than surnames in their own right eg Donnogh McRory might actually
be Donnogh son of Rory Ryan for example. Similarly FitzEdmund could be a surname
in its own right or son / descendant of another Edmund.
There is the 1766 census available for the general area
but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make
any kind of connection.
Here https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E8704229DA4ED702%21404&authkey=!AAT0ajkkNO1CYrM
There are 4 O’Mearas, 8 Hourigans, No Clancy, No O’Hea, No Canny,
No Roe, No O’Gara.
The next available "Census" for the area is the
Tithe Appointment Books 1827. There is only one HMR surname and that is Bourke.
There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of
Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical &
Archaeological Society in Newport News).
In these we have the HMR surnames of Bourke, Gleeson,
Hourigan & McKeogh. Canny actually be Kearney?
Ballimakoe & Rushisland
William Ryan Esq.
Edmond Bourke
Patrick Bourke
Hugh Kenedy
John Power
Patrick Maher
Michael Maher
Thomas Deer
Patrick Ryan (Christian)
Patrick Flynn
Thomas Ryan
Hanna Ryan
John Moloney
Joseph Ahearn
Patrick Ahearn
Denis McNamara
Thomas Gleeson
Michael Gleeson
John Collins
Michael Connors
Patrick Ryan
Michael Bourke
Bartholomew McGrath
John Kearney
John Hogan
Patrick Kearney
Denis Ryan
Patrick Troy
Richard Ryan
Mary Donolan
James Kearney
Mary Gaynon
William Power
Michael Murphy
John Connors
Patrick Sweeney
Thomas McCormack
John Ryan (Davis)
Patrick Nihill
John Farrell
Michael Hickey
Timothy Mackey
Patrick Kelly
James Gaynon
Denis Hayes
Thomas Cloughessy
Andrew Coffey
Margret Guerin
John Hourigan
John Kearney
John Berrecree
Daniel McKeogh
Michael Bourke
James Kane
Anne Halfpenney
John Sweeney
Patrick Maher
Widow Maher
Patrick Glasco
Thomas Coffey J
James Maher
Peter Maher
Thomas Connors
William Ryan
Widow Flynn
Rossarry & Mt Rivers
John Hogan
Michael White
Owen Hynes
David Lynch
Patrick Hogan
John Ryan (Tom)
Widow Hogan
Denis Moloney
John Magrath
John McMahon
Roger Farrell
John Moloney
John Griffan
Thomas O'Donnell
James Stack
Richard Philips Esq.
William O'Brien
Widow William Ryan
In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); Bourke
& McKeogh feature. Could O’Gara (Geara) be Guerin (Geeran)?
The 1901 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Ballymackeogh/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Rossary_More/
Bourke & McKeogh continue.
And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Ballymackeogh/
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Rossarymore/
Bourke & McKeogh continue from the HMRs.
Really interestingly both Bourke & McKeogh continue in
the townland from the Hearth Money Rolls to the 1911 census.
If you are related to either of the families here, it would
certainly be worth trying to tie together. Ryans are associated with
Ballymackeogh but it is interesting to see there are no Ryans there in the
Hearth Money Rolls (unless they were “hidden” Mc Ryans).
As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil
Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep
that as a separate exercise.
My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html
Tuesday, 15 October 2024
Hearth Money Rolls - Shower
In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67
The following names were recorded in Shower townland
(Shower).
Dominick |
Hardinge |
Maghon |
McLaughlin |
Lewis |
Welch |
John |
McHugh |
John |
McMeloghlin |
Rory |
McOwen |
There was no 1665 return.
Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most
important landowner. At least that is my impression.
So here we have Harding, Dominic. I think that may be an English
settler name. The rest are either Mcs or the Anglo-Norman Welch / Walsh. McLoughlin
maybe a surname in its own right. The other Mc surnames are likely to be
descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg Rory
McOwen might actually be Rory son of Owen Ryan for example. McHugh although a
Mc surname could also be a mistranscription of McKeogh.
Lewis Walsh is of interest. There was a Lewis Walsh of
Thurles recorded as owning a share in Monroe (in Arra) and some other places in
the Civil Survey of 1654-56 Lewis Walsh was the son in law of Mortough
Mac-I-brien (Chief of Arra) by married to his daughter Honora. However in the Hearth
Money Rolls of Monroe, in 1665 Honora is recorded as a widow. Could this be a
son of theirs?
There is the 1766 census available for the general area
but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make
any kind of connection.
Here https://onedrive.live.com/view.aspx?resid=E8704229DA4ED702%21404&authkey=!AAT0ajkkNO1CYrM
There are is a John Hardin, a Thos. McLaughlin, 6 Welchs and
13 McKeoghs. John Harding you would have to consider as a strong possible
descendant of Dominic due to the rarity of the surname in the area.
The next available "Census" for the area is the
Tithe Appointment Books 1827.
There are no HMR surnames according to the below list.
However if you look at the original there is a Widow McKeogh and son. Could they
be a link to John McHugh / possibly McKeogh above? I haven’t checked the scanned
images for many of the Tithe Appointment Books so by the looks of it, it is
worth doing for a given area that you are interested in.
There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of
Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical &
Archaeological Society in Newport News).
McKeoghs are listed here again. There is also a Hanning
which is an unusual surname, any link to Harding I wonder?
Martin Ahearn
Thomas Ahearn
Michael Coffey (Stephen)
Daniel Coffey (Brazil)
Patrick Coffey (Robin)
John McKeogh
William Ryan (Bil)
Jeremiah Hanning
Michael Sullivan
Thomas Bourke
James Bourke
John Gleeson (Lamb)
Thomas Maddin
John Coffey (Brazil)
Stephen Coffey
Widow McKeogh
John Sullivan
John Maddin
Thomas McCabe
Thomas Gleeson (Cup)
Michael Gleeson (Cup)
Daniel Ahearn
William Ahearn
Patrick Coffey (Shoemaker)
John Coffey (Molly)
James Ryan (Hackler)
James Hickey
John Ahearn
Richard Shinners
John Coffey (Daniel)
Thomas Hanley
James Hanning
Daniel Hanning
Cornelius Hanly
Luke Shinners
Patrick Gleeson (Lamb)
Michael Gleeson (Lamb)
Patrick Coffey (Stephen)
Daniel Murphy
David Murphy
Daniel Byrnes
In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR
surnames.
The 1901 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Shower/
No HMR surnames (although there is a Keogh as a servant).
And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Shower/
No HMR surnames.
So some interesting surnames such as Harding, Walsh and McHugh
/ McKeogh.
McKeogh seems to carry down to the Griffiths Valuation. It
would be interesting to know more about the Lewis Walsh that lived there and
his connection to the Walshs of Thurles / Arra. There is a small chance that
Hanning in the 1835 could be connected to Harding.
As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.
My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html
Friday, 11 October 2024
Hearth Money Rolls - Kilnacappagh
The following names were recorded in Kilnacappagh
townland (Killnecaple).
Connor |
McOwen |
John |
McMealagh |
William |
Connell |
Phillip |
Connell |
Donogh |
Casie |
Connor |
McWilliam |
Teige |
Oge |
William |
Lasie |
Robert |
Hughes |
Loghlin |
Samon |
Connor |
McShane |
William |
Hogan |
John |
Langile |
Connor |
Moroney |
Mortogh |
Reagh |
There was no 1665 return.
Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most
important landowner. At least that is my impression.
Its hard to know with this location. The first two surnames
are Mc surnames. These forms of Mc surnames are likely to be descendants of
someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg Conor McOwen might
actually be Conor son of Owen Ryan for example. Oge is probably similar as
well. There were Connells, Caseys, Hogans, Moroneys, Hughes, Salmon and Reigh,
all surnames of Gaelic origin I think.
An interesting name is Langile, could this be Langley?
Langley is likely an English settler name but they aren’t the major landowner in
the area.
There is the 1766 census available for the general area
but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make
any kind of connection.
1766 Census for Kilnarath.xlsx
There are no Langleys, Hughes, Salmon or Reigh in that
census. There are 3 Connells in the 1766 Census, 5 Caseys & 1 Moroney.
The next available "Census" for the area is the
Tithe Appointment Books 1827.
There are no HMR surnames unless Moloney has morphed from
Moroney or vice versa.
There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of
Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical &
Archaeological Society in Newport News).
Other than the possibility of Moloney / Moroney, no other
HMR surnames.
Kilenacapa
John Hartigan
John Ryan
Laurence Moloney
William Moloney
William Moloney
Patrick Moloney
Michael Magrath
Martin Ryan
Wm. McNamara
John McNamara
Patrick McNamara
Edmond Hayes
John Hayes
John Wynn
Cornelius McMahon
John Connors
In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); Casey reappears
from the HMR and there is also a Moloney.
The 1901 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Kilnacappagh/
No Casey this time but still a Moloney.
No HMR names.
And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Kilnacappagh/
Again no Casey but still a Moloney. If Conor Moroney in
1666-7 is in fact a Moloney then you have the surname surviving in the townland
until the 1911 census.
As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil
Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep
that as a separate exercise.
My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html
The Northern Lights or Aurora Borealis in Folklore
The Northern Lights have always been viewable from Ireland, yet there doesn't seem to be much folklore about them that I know of anyway growing up. Maybe farther North or in coastal areas they would be something that would be more "known" or talked about.
Looking through the Irish Folklore Commissions Schools Manuscripts that are some references to the Northern Lights and Aurora Borealis.
In Roscommon the following is recorded
"Aurora Borealis
It is a sign of something unusual such as storms or gales. There was one at the
end of January this year and there was terrible gales after it."
https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4811588/4799577/4929688
"I am sure everyone saw or heard about the northern lights which are seen by most people in Ireland, England and Scotland. These lights appeared in the sky one evening at the end of January.
That same evening my aunt called my attention to the sky which was becoming
slightly pinkish in the west.
I stood for about twenty minutes watching the sky as it was becoming redder by
degrees. At half-past seven the sky overhead was red. Sometimes it seemed as if
a green mist came over the red. But alas these lights soon faded
away. Those who were fortunate enough to see the sky marvelled at the beauty of
it.
The proper name for northern lights is auroraborealis. Some people
say it foretells of war or trouble. About the end of February, one evening I
noticed that the sky was slightly pinkish, after about a quarter of an hour the
pink disappeared and the sky was looking very dark, cloudy and angry."
https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/5044824/5042016/5085200
There is also an account from Tipperary near Fethard and it seems to link it with the night of the Big Wind in Jan 1839. It doesn't specifically say it but it follows an account of the Night of the Big Wind and is about a Severe Weather event.
This is backed up by an account of them occuring in Donegal on the Night of the Big Wind here.
"With startling suddeness the wind, striking with wild whistling moans, veered to North and back to North-West. By 8 o'clock the wind was due west. A fierce gale of terrific violence had now developed and it swept through Ireland causing widespread destruction, and reaching its climax by midnight. It still continued with unabated fury until far into the following day, Monday Jan 7th It was a night of terror in Ireland, and very few of its inhabitants closed an eye in sleep.
By 9 o'clock on that memorable Sunday night, as many people were reciting the Rosary,
preparatory to retiring, the terrible hurricane from the Western heavens hit
cabin and castle; and gathering in fury, it stripped many a house roofless, and
hay and corn in cocks, ricks, and stacks were blown fields away, and in many
cases miles away Boats were lifted bodily from the shelters, and crashed to
pieces on the rocks, and many of them were blown high and dry inland The storm
seemed to have disturbed the surface of the sea, because distinct traces of
salt was found on vegetation in Tipperary and Offaly many miles distant from
the ocean. Mud cabins were tumbled down, and even staunch stone built houses
rocked and tottered The streets of villages, towns and cities were strewn with
wreckage. Falling chimneys crashed on neighbouring roofs, windows were smashed,
and bricks, stones and slates were blown sky high. In towns and cities many
outbreaks of fire occured. The cries, moans and shrieks of frightend people,
who were huddled together in groups, mingled with th sounds of falling masonry.
Strange borealic lights in the Northern sky strengthened the belief that the
end of the world had come."
https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4922224/4862304/5021435
Another account from Tipperary near Caher linking the Northern Lights with stormy weather.
"When the rain is about to fall we see very black clouds in
the sky.
If the suns rays are white it is going to be bad weather. If the rain-bow is in
the sky there is going to be plenty of rain.
If the birds are flying high it is a sign that it is going to be fine. If they
are flying low it is a sign of rain. If the sky is grey it is going to rain.
If insects or midges are flying low in the evening it is a sign it is going to
be wet. If the aurora borealis is in the sky it will be stormy."
https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4922257/4864701/5021236
And from Corville School.
"If the "Aurora Borealis" is seen in the sky
it is a sign of a storm."
https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4922190/4859493/5017842
However there is a mention in 19 out of the 26 counties that took part in the Schools Manuscripts including Clare, Sligo, Kilkenny, Roscommon, Leitrim, Longford, Carlow, Meath, Monaghan, Westmeath, Cork, Kerry, Limerick, Tipperary, Donegal, Mayo, Waterford, Cavan & Wicklow.
There are over 70 accounts of "Northern Lights" and I haven't done the break down on that.
I'm sure if you did there are probably even more mentions.
It seems to have been a sign of bad weather in the past and it is interesting to note the storms in the Atlantic at the moment, probably just a coincidence but does the sunspot cycle maybe also have an effect on our weather too?
Thursday, 10 October 2024
Hearth Money Rolls - Clonsingle
In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Clonsingle
townland (Clonsaigle).
Richard |
Shuttey |
There was no 1666-7 return.
Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most
important landowner. At least that is my impression.
So with only one name, he must also be the most important. However
it is does sound like an English surname.
There is the 1766 census available for the general area but
unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any
kind of connection.
1766 Census for Kilnarath.xlsx
There is no Shuttey in that census.
The next available "Census" for the area is the
Tithe Appointment Books 1827.
There are no HMR surnames.
There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).
No Shuttey but lots of interesting names.
Robert J. Young Esq.
Robert Lee
John Sullivan
John Ryan
Widow Sweeney
John Guinane
Daniel Healy
Thomas Coffey
John Hanly
Daniel Ryan
Daniel Coffey (Roe)
John Fitzgerald
Jeremiah Ryan (Granny)
Widow Ryan (Patrick)
Patrick Ryan (Patcy)
Patrick Fitzgerald
Widow Ryan (Michael Moon?)
In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR
surnames carry through.
The 1901 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Clonsingle/
No HMR names.
And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Clonsingle/
Again no HMR names.
As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil
Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep
that as a separate exercise.
My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html
Hearth Money Rolls - Clonbealy
In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Clonbealy townland (Clonbally).
John |
Lane |
Edward |
Lane |
Donogh |
Mehane |
There was no 1666-7 return.
Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most
important landowner. At least that is my impression.
So in this case we have Lane. There is only one other
surname and that is Meehan, likely to be Gaelic in origin.
There is the 1766 census available for the general area but
unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any
kind of connection.
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm
There are no Lanes but a number of possible variations on
Meehan, namely Mihane, Michane and maybe Milane (14).
The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827.
There are no HMR surnames.
There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of
Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical &
Archaeological Society in Newport News) but Clonbealy (Pound st) doesn’t seem to
feature
In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR
surnames carry through.
The 1901 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Newport/Clonbealy/
No HMR names.
And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Newport/Clonbealy/
Again no HMR names. Meehans do continue in the greater area.
As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil
Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep
that as a separate exercise.
My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html
Tuesday, 8 October 2024
Hearth Money Rolls - Ballykinlalee
In the Hearth Money Rolls 1666-67
The following names were recorded in Ballykinlalee townlands (Ballikenielly).
Thomas |
Winford |
Kennedy |
Bryan |
Owen |
McDonogh |
William |
McDermod |
There was no return for 1665.
Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most
important landowner. At least that is my impression.
So in this case, Winford. Winford is likely to be of English
origin. The rest of the surnames are likely to be of Gaelic origin ie O’Brien
& Mc surnames. These are likely to be descendants of someone else rather
than surnames in their own right eg William McDermod might actually be William
son of Dermot O’Brien.
There is the 1766 census available for the general area but
unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any
kind of connection.
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm
There isn’t any Winford or variations in it.
The next available "Census" for the area is the
Tithe Appointment Books 1827
No HMR names. (As an aside there is a Lauce Anglesee and I
wonder could he be related to John Anglee of Newport / Foxhall Puoryne Bryen)
There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of
Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical &
Archaeological Society in Newport News) but Ballykinalee is not recorded.
In the later Griffiths valuation (see picture), no HMR surnames.
The 1901 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Killoscully/Ballykinlalee/
And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Killoscully/Ballykinlalee/
No HMR names.
I will also try and look at the Civil Survey –
Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a
separate exercise.
My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html
Friday, 4 October 2024
Recently rediscovered megalithic stone pair in Tipperary
When people say everything that has been discovered, has already been discovered, this stone pair is a case in point that it most certainly hasn't.
This standing stone pair isn't hidden up in some remote valley but by the side of a road, just inside the ditch. It is however in an upland area and would have been relatively remote over the years.
I was chatting to local man, Ger Hickey, about trying to find a stone with rock-art in the Arra Mountain area. We thought we were on the trail of it but it ran cold unfortunately for the time being.
In passing he mentioned these stones and of course like a lot of unrecorded stuff, most people just presume that it is "known" about.
I was able to help record them with the National Monuments Service. The map viewer on archaeology.ie isn't updating currently and I don't know when this will be fixed but they are now officially recorded I'm assured by the archaeologist that I reported them to.
I recently got some old photos from a relative of local historian Mikie Joy and within them were old photos of the pair. Mikie knew about these stones well over 30 years ago but didn't know who to report them to or maybe did but was just ignored. If I hadn't know about them through Ger, I'd be scratching my head trying to figure out where the stones in the photos were!
So Tipperary has another stone pair and they are aligned in a roughly north-east - south-west direction. I didn't measure their height but they are both in the 1m to 1.2m high range tall.
I particularly like the one with the unusual hooked shape top.
As always, they are on private land and permission is required to access the land.
Thursday, 3 October 2024
Hearth Money Rolls - Mountphilips
In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Mountphilips townland (Clonminer
& Cloncamer).
Cptn. |
Chapley |
Cptn. |
John |
McThomas |
|
John |
McRory |
|
Wm. |
McRory |
|
Donnogh |
McConnor |
|
Amfrie |
Torner |
|
Connor |
Oge |
|
Morrogh |
McShane |
There was also a 1666-7 return as follows.
Richard |
Dingle |
John |
Coplie |
Umphrey |
Stanley |
John |
Rian |
Donnell |
McDaniell |
Connor |
Oge |
WIlliam |
McRory |
Don |
Cnavine |
Dermott |
Morowney |
Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most
important landowner. At least that is my impression.
So in this case we have Cptn Chapley in the first return and
Richard Dingle in the 2nd. The two returns vary greatly with only
William McRory being common to both. Chapley / Copley could possible also be the
same name?
There seems to have been a number of English settlers in
this area, Chapley / Copley, Turner, Dingle & Stanley all are likely to be
of this origin.
There are a number of Gaelic names in the townland, Ryan &
Moroney. There are also a lot of Mc surnames, likely to be descendants of
someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg John & William Mc
Rory might actually be Sons of Rory Ryan for example. Oge is similar. Cnavine I’m
not sure about?
There is the 1766 census available for the general area but
unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any
kind of connection.
https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm
No Chapley / Copley, Dingle, Stanley.
There is a Thomas Turner though. The surname is very rare in
the area.
There is a John Morony but that is a name that might be more
difficult to link together.
Ryan and the Mc / Oge surnames would be very difficult to
link together.
The next available "Census" for the area is the
Tithe Appointment Books 1827.
No HMR names.
There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of
Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical &
Archaeological Society in Newport News).
No HMR names carry through.
William Philips Esq.
Michael Ward
John Healy
Samuel Preston
William Carey
William Bourke
Edmond Healy
John Carey
In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR
names.
The 1901 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilcomenty/Mountphillips/
No HMR names.
And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilcomenty/Mountphillips/
No HMR names. Unfortunately none of the surnames in the HMR
seemed to have stayed in the townland.
As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil
Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep
that as a separate exercise.
My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html