Civil Survey Notes - Ballycaridoge

The Civil Survey records the following in this townland

Loghlen Minighan of Ballycaradoge Gent

This is an interesting one. The surname seems to vary between Moynehan & Minihan. Both of which are still in the approximate area.

The next record featuring Loghlen Minighan is in the transplantation decrees and Melaghlin Moynehan is scheduled to be transplanted to Galway and Ballmoe Barony and Boyounagh Parish.

There doesn’t appear to be any Moynehan, Moynihans or Minihans in Galway in the Griffiths Valuation.

This makes sense in this case anyway as in the Hearth Money Rolls we find that Loghlin Moynahane / Laughlen O’Moyneghane still living in the townland.

However in the later records there is no evidence of the surname in the townland.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-ballycaridoge.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Ballycaridoge

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Ballycaridoge townland (Ballyycuradog).
John Featherson
Laughlen O’Moyneghane
Conor McTeige

For Ballycaridoge there seems to be 2nd return or maybe an add-on in 1666-67

Recorded are
John Featherson (again)
Loghlin Moynahane (again)
John McGrath

John Cormackane

Conor McTeige (Again)

John Morrish

Teige Conelah

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression and seems to be confirmed here as both Featherson and Moynahane have two “hearths”.

John Featherson must be an English settler. It is interesting that John Moynahane must surely be Gaelic and seems to have retained reasonable wealth. Moynahane comes from a group of surnames that translates as descendant of the Munstermen. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Moynihan

Conor McTeige appears in both returns and he may be a relative of someone else within the townland for example a Teige O’Brien or possibly in this case Teige Conelah?

John McGrath and John Conelah (Connolly) would be both Gaelic Irish names. John Morrish possibly a Gaelicised Norman name. John Cormackane is also a Gaelic name, what is interesting is that there seems to be a number of different versions of this name in the area – McCormack, Cormack, O’Cormack & Cormican. I would say they all stem from the same surname and this is backed up below.

https://www.gaois.ie/en/surnames?Query=Cormican&SortBy=baretext&PerPage=50

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

However none of the Hearth Money Rolls surnames appear in this record.

We have

Daniel Molony

Michael Hickey

Michael Burke

? Malone

Michael Malone

Matt Maloney

Darby Egan

James Egan

John Egan

Darby Egan

Boyce Egan

John Molony

James Brien

Michael McNamara

Patt Harty

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

In the later Griffiths valuation
We find these names broadly passing on. (See pictures)

With them there again in 1901

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Ballycarridoge/

And still in 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Ballycarridoge/

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Civil Survey Notes - Ballyvaughan

 

The Civil Survey records only one landowner in this townland, namely

Donogh O Hogan of Gurranemore Gent

The next record that mentions Ballyvaughan in this case are the Transplantation Decrees and in this we find a Thomas Hogan scheduled for transplantation to Galway – Ballymoe Barony & Templetogher Parish.

There are no Hogans record in Templetogher in Griffiths Valuation.

When we look at the Hearth Money Rolls we find an Edmund Hogan still living in Ballyvaughan. An Edmund was recorded in the transplantation decrees as living in nearby Youghal.

However that is the last of the Hogans that we see in the records as the name doesn’t appear again there.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-ballyvaughan.html

 

Hearth Money Rolls - Ballyvaughan

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Ballyvaughan townland (Ballyvaghan).

Edmund	Hogane
John	Killane
Hugh	Diggin

There is no return in 1666-67

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

Here we have Hogan and two other Gaelic sounding surnames, probably Killane & Duggan.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

Patrick Gleeson

William Gleeson

Ned Gleeson

Patrick Cuooney?

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

So no Hearth Money Roll names.

In the later Griffiths valuation (See pictures) – Again no Hearth Money Roll names.

In 1901

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Ballyvaughan/

In 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Ballyvaughan/

No Hearth Money Roll names reappear.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Civil Survey Notes - Castletown, Castlelough, Ballywilliam, Cornode etc

 

Castletown, Castlelough, Cornode, Ballywilliam,

In the Civil Survey the following are owners in the townland.

Donogh O Bryen of Bellanaha Esqr

Richard late Earle of Corke

John Strongman Esqr

Daniell O Bryen of Garrykenedy gt.

James O Quinn of Ballywilliam

Bryen O Bryen of Liskelly

Lucas Twohy of Clonmunny Gent

This is a very interesting townland to me anyway. At first I wondered how Donogh O Bryen of Bellanaha was connected here but the Survey says that he purchased the land from “from the heires

Gennerall of Sr. Therlagh Byron (vizt) Onora. Margarett & More Bryen & others their ffeoffees.” (They were mentioned previously in connection with Monroe).

We also see that the Earl of Cork purchased his share of lands from Daniel O Byren of Cloneibrine. This must be the Daniel O Byrne whose two sons - Bryen & Marcus Mc Daniel were to be transplanted to Connacht. I think this also helped confirm that I am correct in the identification of Cunogh with Cloneybrien.

We also see that John Strongman purchases land in Cornoyde from Matthew O’Brien. There are few different Matthews listed in the Civil Survey so we can’t be sure who he is.

Comparing the Civil Survey with other records we find a few interesting correlations. In O’Harts list of those to be transplanted, there is a Murtogh O’Byren of Lisskelly. Lisskelly makes up part of the above record. There is a Mortogh McMahowny in the HMR for Castlelough. Matthew is a form of Mahown so there could be some tentative link there. In nearby Ballywilliam which forms part of the area covered in this Civil Survey record, in the HMR there is a Mortagh Byren. Could he be the same Murtogh listed for transplantation?

In the Civil Survey there are two instances of fairly prominent modern surnames in the locality – namely Quinn & Tuohy.  These are the only instances of them in that feature in the Civil Survey so may be of importance.

In the HMR for the townlands mentioned we have a number of Tuohys recorded. There is no Lucas but there must be a connection between him and those recorded.

There is also a Francis Strongman who you would have to suspect is a relative of John Strongman. There is a graveslab in Castletown graveyard with the following inscription “Here lies the body of Mary Strongman deceased 30^th July 1733). So these are all obviously connected. The Ormond Historical Society notes that it also says that Mary Strongman is the wife of “illegible” so that may be worth investing more to see who she was married to.

There is Teige O Bryen but we have no way of connecting him back to any of the O Bryens mentioned in the Civil Survey.

The 1659 Penders Census features the following as Tituladoes in the area

Humphry Dymnock Esq – Castletown

Francis Strongman gent – Castlelough

John Strongman Esq - Cornodio

Edmond Hogane gent – Cornodio

Henry Feltham gent – Liskelly

All these areas equate to the area we are dealing with above.

 

Looking at the later records. In Castletown the surname Tuohy continues in that area till the Tithe Applotment Books.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-castletown.html

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-ballywilliam.html

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/03/hearth-money-rolls-castlelough.html

 

Hearth Money Rolls - Ballywilliam

  

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Ballywilliam townland (Ballywilliam).

Mortagh	Bryen
Dermott	Hogane

There seems to be 2nd return or maybe an add-on in 1666-67

Recorded are

Mort Bryan

Dermott Hogan

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.
Mortagh O’Brien and Dermot Hogan are common to both lists and both Gaelic surnames.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

Larry Hickey

Daniel Quin

Denis Molony

James Hickey

John Dea

Anthony McKeogh

Patt McKeogh

James Brien

Michael Ryan

Michael Hogan

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

So O’Briens and Hogans do carry on in the townland.

In the later Griffiths valuation (See pictures) – O’Brien and Hogan are not recorded

In 1901

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Ballywilliam/

In 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Ballywilliam/

O’Brien and Hogan do not reappear.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

Hearth Money Rolls - Castletown

 

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Castletown townland (Castletowne / Liskelly ).

Humphry	Dymock
Robert	Dymock
Donnogh	O'Tuohy
Dermott	O'Tuohy
Wm	O'Tuogh
Robert	Droghane
James	Walsh
John	Oultagh
Connor	O'Tuohy

Also in the Hearth Money Rolls is a location called Liskelly and this actually was part of the modern day Castletown townland so we will include here as well.

Recorded in 1665 are

Henry	Felton
Wm	Fox
Dermott	O'Shanaghane
Edmond	O'Glessine
Hugh	O'Neill
Willm	Sumer
John	Harris

And in 1666/67

Henry	Felton
William	Haske
Dermott	Shinahane
John	Broughane
Hugh	Neale
Edmund	Glisheene
William	Summer
Ellice	Harris

 

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

In Castletown we have two Dymocks? I’m not sure of the origin of this name, I’d imagine it is a settler name. Then we have Gaelic or Gaelicised Anglo-Normans such as Tuohy and Walsh. There is also Droghane which I’d say is Gaelic and Oultagh which may refer to an Ulsterman.

In the Liskelly part we have

Henry Felton – he was an ancestor of the Watson-O’Briens who were large landowners in Garrykennedy. See Mikie Joy Archive - https://drive.google.com/file/d/1GuwSg71hm8r_T45PzqljGW9V9i-c3lKX/view

 

Dermot Shanahan, Edmund Gleeson, William Summer & Hugh O’Neill are common to both. There is a John Harris in 65 and an Ellice Harris in 66-67.

One suggestion is that Summer could be Seymour? There is also a Haske, Fox and Broughane (could that be linked to Droghane in the Castletown record?)

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

Clifford & partners

Daniel Molony

? Molony

Patt Carney

Conor McCormack

Mary Quigley

Conor Sullivan & partners

Conor Sullivan & Dunlea

A Parker Esq Plantation

? near Tomlough

Daniel Slattery

Judy? Toohy

Martin McMahon

Michael Sullivan

Mrs Toohy

William Ralph

? McMahon

? ? Gabbett

William Hogan

Anthony Parker Esq

Hill division

Anthony Parker Esq

Lower division

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

Of the Hearth names – only Touhy seems to still be in place in the townland. Could they be descendants of the 1660s Touhys?

In the later Griffiths valuation; Brohan reappears in the townland and Tuohy continues from the Hearth Money Rolls.

See the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Gastletown/
And 1911 census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Castletown/

Unfortunately the Brohans & Tuohys don’t carry on into these two censuses but if you can trace back to the Griffiths valuation you may have a possible link back to the Hearth Money Rolls.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Hearth Money Rolls - Castlelough

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Castlelough townland (Castbloghy).

Francis	Strongman
Donnogh	O'Fellaghy
John	O'Dwyr
Donnogh	Riegh
John	O'Flannury
Danniell	O'Tuohy
Edmond	Duff
Mortagh	McMahowny
Dermott	O'Hogane

There wasn’t an add-on / 1666-67 record for the townland.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

In Castlelough we have Francis Strongman as the most important landowner. It is likely to be the name of an English settler to the area and interestingly a Mary Strongman is buried in Castletown Graveyard with this Memento Mori or Skull and Cross-bones motif on their graveslab, her date of death is 1733 so she may be a daughter or possibly even a wife of Francis. Next we have O’Fellaghy. This may be a rare Thomond surname according to Woulfe. https://www.libraryireland.com/names/of/o-faolchaidh.php

All the rest of the names appear to be Gaelic in origin. We have O’Dwyer, Flannery, Tuohy, McMahon, Hogan and Duff. There is also Riegh and I’m not certain what that surname would be today.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

Unfortunately by the time of this record, the only tithe payer in the townland is Anthony Parker with 374 acres out of 601 (so there may be another record for this townland that I don’t have access to.)
https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

In the later Griffiths valuation;  unfortunately, this also only records the Reps of Rev. S.G. Parker and a Richard Carty in the townland.

The 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Castlelough/

And 1911 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Castlelough/

Unfortunately none of the surnames from the Hearth Money Rolls survive down to the 1901 / 1911 census.

It would be interesting to see how the lands arrived with the Parkers from the Strongmans?

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

Civil Survey Notes - Ballingeer

Ballingeer

In the Civil Survey the following are recorded

Rory Hogan of Ballingeare gt.

John O Hogan of the same gt.

Mortagh O Hogan of the same gt.

Hugh O Hogan of the same gt.

We can then check these names / townland against the Hearth Money Rolls and also the transplantation decrees.

There is one very interesting decree in Simington’s Transplation to Connacht. It states that Joane, widow of Murtagh oge, and Philip Hogan, son and heir of said Murtagh. She is to transplanted to Galway, namely Leitrim Barony & the Parish of Ballynakill.

So from this we can put together a speculative tree

Mortogh Hogan m Joane ?

Son Philip Hogan.

It is likely that some of the other Hogans in the townland are also related to each other. By the time of the Hearth Money Rolls there are two Hogans still living in Ballingeer. Namely a John & a Conor. John Hogan could be the John O’ Hogan mentioned in the Civil Survey. As a note there is a Teige McMorrogh noted in the Hearth Money Rolls in Ballihilareagh and this is unidentified but may be very close to this townland. Could he be a son of Mortogh Hogan?

Did the Hogan’s go to Connacht? There a small number of Hogans in Ballynakill in the Griffiths Valuation but as parts of this are only on the other side of Lough Derg I would suggest this is inconclusive. There is no Hogan there with a larger than normal amount of land.

We look at the subsequent records from the Hearth Money Rolls on here.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/02/hearth-money-rolls-ballingeer.html

To briefly summarise these, the surname Hogan does carry on in the townland but the records just aren’t there to link them back to the 1600s records.

Hearth Money Rolls - Ballingeer

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Ballingeer townland (Ballingire).

Even	Thomas
Conor	O'Hogane
John	O'Hogane

 

In the 1666-67 return the following are recorded.

Evan      Thomas

John      Hogane

Connor Hogane

John      Urvin

Dermott Bryan

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So we have Even Thomas who must be an English settler and two Hogans, Conor and John common to both.  

We also have a John Urvin who may also be an English settler and Dermot O’Brien.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

We have

? McInirney

Widow Carty & Seymour

William Kenny

Patt Sullivan

William Ryan

Thomas Brennan

John Ryan

Patt Keirse?

Martin Sheridan

Patt Kennedy

Hellibert & McKenerty (Kenestrsy)

Quigley & Ryans ?

Felton Watson

Batt? Clifford

? Ryan

William Carney

Patt Kenny

Mick Hogan

Martin McMahon

? Rolleston

Grazing Pasture

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

Unfortunately the surname Thomas, Urvin or O’Brien do not survive but we do have a Mick Hogan remaining in the townland.

In the later Griffiths valuation a number of Hogans are listed. (see picture)

We have John, Michael & Patrick. Unfortunately these names are two common to link to the John and Conor in the Hearth Money Rolls in my opinion.   

The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Ballingeer/

Interestingly we find a father and son combination of John Hogans still in the townland.

And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Ballingeer/

And it appears to be carrying on with a John Hogan aged 4 still in the townland (likely to be the grandson of the older John Hogan in 1901.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Civil Survey Notes - Townlough

 

Townlough (Upper & Lower)

The following are recorded as owning land in Toumequane. The exact boundary differences between Toumeloghy & Toumequane I’m not certain of but they are close to the modern townlands of Townlough Upper & Lower.

Donogh O Bryen of Toumeloghy Gent

Teige o ffalvy of Curraghiviller gt.

Bryen O Bryen of Tomloghy Gent

Teige O Bryen of Tomloghy Gent.

Connor mcMorogh of Tomloghy gt.

Mortagh O Bryen of Coulebane Gent

Donogh O Bryon of Bellanaha Esqr &

Bryen O Bryen of Tomequane Gent.

Interestingly in Simingtons Transplantaion to Connacht we find a Conor McDonagh scheduled for transplantation from Tomlogha to Galway, namely Templetogher in the Barony of Ballymoe. There are some Briens in the Griffiths Valuation but really I think it is inconclusive due to the spread of the surname around Ireland.

Most likely I think he may be Donogh O Bryen of Toumeloghy’s son. We don’t see him in the later Hearth Money Roll for Townlough but there is a Connor McDonogh in Ballihilareagh and I think that may be a location in Townlough or very close.

Other possible connections between the Civil Survey and the HMR include Conor McMorogh. There is a Conor McMortagh listed in the Hearth Money Rolls.

There is also a Teige McDonogh – again possibly a son of Donogh O Bryen of Toumeloghy & perhaps brother of Conor.

There is also a Dermot McTeige, there is a small possibility that he could be a son of the above Teige McDonogh.

In Ballihilareagh we also have Teige McMorrogh, he could be a relative of Conor McMorogh / McMortagh.

For an area with nearly all O’Briens as owners in the Civil Survey, in the later records there are little to no record of O’Briens in the townland. So although Conor McDonogh O’Brien may have survived transplantation, the O’Briens did not prosper in the townland.

One interesting surname from the Hearth Money Rolls that did continue is Helebert and we can see more about that and later records here.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/02/hearth-money-rolls-townlough.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Townlough

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls
The following names were recorded in Townlough townland (Tomloghy / Tomlough).

In the 1665 record the following are listed

Diogenes	Edwards
Teige	McDonnogh
John	White
Owen	O'Helibirt
Conor	McMortagh

 

In the 1666-67 the following are recorded

Diogenes	Edwards
Dermott	McTeige
Teige	McDonnogh
John	White
Owen	Helbert
Connor	Hogan
Turloe	Bryan

 

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So Diogenes or more likely Denis Edwards seems to be the most important landowner in the townland. It is likely that he is an English settler to the area.

McTeige and McDonnogh may be “descendants of” and are likely to be Gaelic in origin. Similarly Hogan and Bryan / O’Brien.

White is more than likely another English settler. A very interesting one is O’Helibirt / Helbert. I haven’t found a definite source for its origin. However it is a very rare name in Ireland as we can see from this map of instances in the 1901 census. https://www.barrygriffin.com/surname-maps/irish/helebert/

This would suggest to me that it may not be a Gaelic name but in 1665 it has an O’ added to it!

In the next “census” is the Tithe Appointment Books circa 1824, thanks to Joann Hinz who provided me with a copy of the relevant section.

Lower

Mr Standish Parker

John Nix

Upper

Denis Foley

Patt McCormack

Patt & William Hanelly

Widow McCormack

James Joy

John Hourigan & Partners

Daniel Hourigan & Partners

Daniel Hourigan

? Division

In the Griffiths Valuation Heleberts and Briens both appear in Townlough Upper. The rarity of the name would suggest that this Helebert is likely to be a descendant of Owen Helbert in 1666-67.

In 1901 we find the following

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Townlough_Upper/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Townlough_Lower/
And again in 1911
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Townlough_Upper/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Townlough_Lower/

By 1901 / 1911 there are no Heleberts or Briens / O’Briens recorded. However Heleberts do continue in the area to this day.

 

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

There is one location I have not been able to identify for certain - Ballihilareagh

 

From the locations beside it, it is likely to be in Castletownarra and possibly close to Townlough / Cloneybrien.

 

In this return there are only 3 names.

Mathew Bryan

Teige McMorrogh

Connor McDonogh 

Civil Survey notes - Cloneybrien

 

Cloneybrien

The Meadow or pasture of the O’Briens. In the Civil Survey the following were recorded as owning lands here.

Daniell O’Bryen of Clonybryen gent.

Bryen O’ Bryen of Clonybryen gent.

Bryen O’Bryen is listed as owning this land in descent from his father Donogh McTeige O’ Bryen.

Initially I had thought that it could be Donogh O’Brien of Bellanaha or possibly a grandson of Teige na Buile O’Bryen.

There is a Donal Mac I Brien who dies in 1606 (he was the Brother of Donogh O’Brien of Bellanaha). Could this Daniell who owns land here be a son or actually him?

However we see below that none of these quite fit.

These names are important when we look at other records in connection with the area.

In the Hearth Money Rolls of Cloneybrien we find a number of O’Brien (or variants) recorded.

There is a Marews, Mathew, Bryen and William noted in 1665 and a Marcus & Kenedy record in 1666/67.

It is likely that Marews & Marcus are the same name.

Byren O’Bryen may be the Bryen O’Bryen listed in the Civil Survey.

Looking at Simington’s Transplantation to Connacht. It is difficult to make out the various O’Briens that were listed to be transplanted. However the “O’Briens of Ryninch” article in Annals of Arra Vol. 2 points towards a book by O’Hart that lists some of these O’Briens more clearly but without their destinations in Connacht.

Combining Simington & O’Hart I think I have identified Cunogh as being Cone Ibryne in the Civil Survey which is Cloneybrien.

If this is correct then we find a Bryan Mc Daniel Bryan and a Marcus Mc Daniel Bryan listed for transplanted to Connacht.

However the Bryen that owned the land is Bryan McDonogh McTeige O’Brien (according to the Civil Survey). So unfortunately that doesn’t tie up as neatly as I hoped. (Bryan can’t be the son of Donogh (Denis) if he is the son of Daniel (Donal).)

What we do find however is that a Marcus & a Bryen are listed for transplantation to Connacht.

It is possible that there were a few Brien O’Briens in this townland. If so, it will make creating a speculative descent tree difficult.

In Simington - Marcus and Bryen are listed to be transplanted to Galway, the Barony of Ballymoe and the parish of Boyounagh. In Boyounagh there is only one Brien listed in the Griffiths Valuaton and that is a Patrick Brien in Lisheenaheltia. He is a very small tenant farmer.

Going by the Hearth Money Rolls we still find a Marcus and Bryen O’Bryen in Cloneybrien so maybe they never went or if they did, didn’t stay long. There is also a Kenedy Byren (and Mathew & William).

Mary Fitzgerald – author of The McKeogh Family Story has suggested in personal communication that the later name Kendall could be an anglicisation of Kennedy as a first name.

There is an interesting reference to a Kendall O’Brien

"In about 1780 a writer records that a genealogical Irish manuscript copied in the year AD. 1714 finds that John O'Brien was then the representative of this branch, and still enjoyed a part of the family estate, which was called Cluain-i-Brien in Ara, where he resided.

The writer was informed that one Kendal O'Brien was living then and was John O'Brien's grandson and heir."

Pg 38 From the History of the O'Briens by Donough O'Brien. 

From the "Ireland, Indexes to Wills, Probate Administration, Marriage Bonds and Licences, 1591-1866" there is a marriage license for the Diocese of Killaloe in 1759 between Kindall O'Brien and Mary Waller. Another record places him in Landsdown (the one near Portroe!) in 1775.

So this link would even be stronger here as it is the correct townland. Does the timeline fit for John O'Brien circa 1714 to be a son of Kenedy O'Brien listed in the Hearth Money Rolls (1666-67) and then for Kendall to be John's grandson? 

In the later census data – the name O’Brien isn’t very prominent in the townland. (It appears to disappear out of the townland for a time). There are some O’Briens living there in the 1901 and 1911 censuses.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/02/hearth-money-rolls-cloneybrien.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Cloneybrien

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Cloneybrien townland (Cloanjbrind / Clone Bryan).

Marews	Bryen
Mathew	Bryen
Teige	O'Minoge
Wm	McEgane
Thomas	Leneger
Conor	O'Currine
Bryan	O'Bryen
Rory	O'Flanury
William	O'Birrin

For Cloneybrien there seems to be 2nd return or maybe an add-on in 1666-67

Recorded are

Marcus	Bryan
Teige	Minoge
Daniell	Casie
Edmund	Kenedie
John	O'Howrane
Connor	O'Courneene
Kenedy	Bryan
William	McEgan
William	Banane
Noreen	Ne Tane

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So Marcus O’Brien is listed first in both and so must be of importance. However Marews / Marcus is the only of that name recorded in the half-barony so you would wonder if it is a correct first name.

Teige O’Minogue is third on the 1st list and 2nd of the 2nd list so again maybe of a higher than average rank. William McEgan appears on both lists also. We have a Conor O’Currine / O’Courneene. The exact surname for that today I’m not completely sure, possibly Curran?

There is the unusual surname Leneger and also an O’Byrne. In the 2nd list there is a Kennedy, Horan, Casey, Flannery, O’Brien and possibly a Bannon? One of the few ladies recorded is in this townland Noreen Ne Tane. Again I’m not certain of the surname there. We also have the interestingly named Kennedy Bryan or O’Brien.

 
The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 – I only have a scan of this from the Mikie Joy archive.

John Quigley

? Barrett

Ned Dwyer

Michael Minogue

Rodger Meara

Salmon & Toohy

Ryan & Partners

Doyle & Quigley

John Quigley

? Starr

?

Thomas Carroll

? Leo

John Darcy

Larry ?

Darby Carrol

Quin & W Hicky

? Moloney ?

? & ? Carroll & Matt Ryan

Garry ?

Michael Roche

? Foley

? Leo & Ward

? McDanal

Rolleston mountain

? ?

Patrick Barrett

Rolleston Meadow

Rolleston pasture

Daniel Carroll

https://drive.google.com/file/d/16ghvJk9x432Zy6zSD3p_0bxT5SC8BtpB/view

Surprising considering they were broadly Gaelic surnames, only Minogue is still there in the Tithe appointments (There are a few I haven’t been able to transcribe, if you can please put them in the comments). So it is a possibility that Teige and Michael could be of the same line.

In the later Griffiths valuation none of the Hearth Money Roll names seem to reappear and Minogue also drops out of the townland. (See pictures)

See the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Castletownarra/Cloneybrien/

And 1911 census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Castletown/Cloneybrien/

In the 1901 we do have an O’Brien reappear and also in the 1911 an O’Brien and Kennedy.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?