Thursday, 24 April 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Garrynatineel

 

Garrynatineel

The following are recorded in the Civil Survey

Connor O Bryen of Knockane Esqr

Dermott O Bryen of Garrynytynle Gent

Thomas Arthur of Lymicke Doctor in phisicke

Connor mcKeoagh of Garrynetinylle

Thomas Arthur purchases his land from Daniel O’ Brien Esqr.

The only possible link between Civil Survey and Hearth Money Rolls that I can see is McThomas. It is unlikely that the Mc naming pattern would be applied here is Son of Thomas Arthur but it is the only record of a McThomas in the Hearth Money Rolls in Arra.

None of the names carry down to the Tithe Applotments or Griffiths Valuation. McKeoghs do appear in the 1901 census.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/04/hearth-money-rolls-garrynatineel.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Garrynatineel

 

                                                                 Created by Derek Ryan 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Garrynatineel townland (Gorritovale / Gorrenetyneell ).

Manus

Flahurty

Teige

McThomas

Mahowne

McShane


There is also 1666-7 addon / additional return.

James

Flaghertye

Teige

McThomas

William

McDaniell

 

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression so far.

Interestingly this one of the few townlands where Flahertys are the most prominent landowner.

 

Teige McThomas is common to both lists. Other than Flaherty, the other surnames are likely to be sons or descendants of other people in the townland or nearby eg Teige McThomas is actually Teige O’Brien son of Thomas O’Brien.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1826.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Templeachally&townland=Garinatinella%2CForthenry&search=Search

 

In the Griffiths valuation (pictured) none of the Hearth Money Roll Names are present.


                                              From https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

In the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballina/Garrynatineel/


In 1911,


https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballina/Garrynatineel/

The Flaherty surname doesn’t appear again after the Hearth Money Rolls.

 

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

Monday, 21 April 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Coolnadororny

 


Coolnadororny

The following were recorded in the Civil Survey for this townland

Connor O Bryan of Knockane Esqr.

Dermott Bryen of Garrynytynylle Gt.

Loghlen mcKeoagh of Coollnydornory gt.

Owny mcShane of the same Gent

Teige mcDaniell of Parteine ffisherm

Owny mc. Donogh of Garrymergine gt.

A possible carry through to the HMR records is Daniell McLoughlin, he could possibly be the son of Loghlen McKeogh.

There is also a James McKeogh and a John McDonnogh both of course could be related to their surname namesakes in the Civil Survey but it is impossible to know now.

There is an O’Brien in the Griffiths Valuation but none of the rest of the surnames carry down in the later records here.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/04/hearth-money-rolls-coolnadornory.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Coolnadornory

 

Created by Derek Ryan 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Coolnadororny (Cooldornory) townland

John McDonnogh

Daniell McLoughlen

Daniell Hogane

James   McKeogh

Donnogh McCormuck


There doesn’t seem to be a 1666-7 addon / additional return.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression so far.

This townland seems to be predominately Gaelic surnames. We have McDonagh, McLoughlin, Hogan, McKeogh & McCormack / Cormican.

The four Mcs here are more than likely to be regular surnames rather than sons or descendants of someone else in the townland.


The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1826. Surprisingly given the Gaelic nature of the Hearth surnames here, none carry through.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Templeachally&townland=Cooladornory%2CCool&search=Search 

In the later Griffiths valuation there is a large number of names recorded between Beg & More.

 

In the the Griffiths valuation (pictured) none of the Hearth Money Roll names reappear.

 


Similarly in 1901 (Keogh does reappear but is listed as a servant).

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballina/Coolnadornory/


And again in 1911 (no Hearth names)
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballina/Coolnadornory/


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

Beakstown Castle - a Ryan / Purcell Castle in North Tipp

 

Beakstown Mill by Derek Ryan

I first came across reference to a Ryan interest in a castle at Beakstown on Wikitree

https://www.wikitree.com/wiki/O'Mulryan-2

I'm not 100% convinced that John O'Mulryan of Beakstown is the same as the John O'Mulryan that was Abbot of Abbeyowney but we will see. 

Hayes's book "Burials in Holycross Abbey" (pg 18) seems to back-up some of the information on Wikitree.

"BURIAL OF OLIVER OGE MORRIS ...... He was married to a daughter of John Mac Conor O'Mulryan who occupied the Purcell Castle in Beakstown, already alluded to. He had a grant of Farney Castle which was built around this period by Ormonde. Colonel Morres also asserts that Sir Oliver Morres, father of Oliver Oge, who died in 1530, was buried in Holycross as well. 

His wife's people, the O'Mulryans, who were tenants of the barons of Loughmore in Beakstown, were probably buried in the Abbey."


However we don't know how trustworthy the source of the information is for this. 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/01/hervey-morris-1798-hero-or-genealogical.html

Hayes also says (pg 20) "John Ryan, Coolkill, who died in 1633. He was a tenant of the Barons of Loughmore in Coolkill"

We can confirm there was a castle at Beakstown from the Civil Survey - "Upon the sd lands is one Castle and an ould Stump of a stone house the Castle out of repaire in Beakstowne, and two Mills on the River Shewer in repair." 


One of the mills is likely to be the one photographed above. 

Archaeology.ie has a lot more information on the mill and the former castle. 

Regarding the mill (pictured above) it says "A doorway at the N end of the NW wall incorporates a chamfered jamb from an earlier building, possibly Beakstown Castle." 

Other evidence of the castle includes 

"In 2000 archaeological rescue survey of the spoil heap of the levelled Beakstown House by Paul Stevens recovered 134 dressed stone fragments, including 120 late medieval quoins, a late medieval ogee arch fragment, two corbels, two Tudor chamfered door-jambs and a date stone of 1699 now incorporated into the boundary wall of the property." 

I unfortunately haven't seen this date stone. 

For more detail on this excavation see the following report. 

https://excavations.ie/report/2000/Tipperary/0005780/

It seems to suggest that Beakstown Castle was a tower-house and may have been burned before the stone was eventually reused in the construction of a Georgian style house there. 

From 1840s Ordnance Survey Map - Out of Copyright

In relation to John Ryan of Coolkill we find in Richard Fitzpatrick's thesis on the Ryans of Inch that 

(pg2) "the remainder of the estate consisted of the manor of Coolkill. This represented the old mensal lands of the O’Mulryan clan who once ruled over the territory of Kilnelongurty (later incorporated into the barony of Kilnamanagh Upper). With some exceptions, these lands were made up of coarser upland pasture, but they nevertheless conferred a degree of prestige upon the Ryans of Inch due to their ancestral links to the territory’s historic chief, Shane Glasse O’Mulryan."

(pg73) "On 18 March 1704, a mere seven days before a clause in the ‘Act to prevent the further growth of Popery’ became active and debarred Catholics from purchasing land, Purcell sold his lands in Kilnelongurty (the manor of Coolkill), approximately 2,000 acres, to John Ryan for the princely sum of £1,620 (ten years purchase). Ryan reportedly paid the money to Purcell ‘in hand before the p[er]fection of these presents’, and it is clear that Ryan must have made a lot of money over the preceding years outside the meagre income from his estate.42 The sources of his money were varied, including the period he spent in London, his legal work upon his return to Ireland (section 2) and profits from a trading venture he held an interest in with his brother, Patrick Ryan, which had completed its first known known voyage by the end of 1703 (section 3)."

So there seems to be a link between the Ryans mentioned in Hayes's book and the later Ryan's of Inch. 

What Fitzpatrick seems to say is that the early family of Ryans of Inch filled a vaccum following the purchase of some Ryan lands from Shane Glasse O'Mulryan by the Purcells. The Purcells thus becoming the major power in this area of Kilnelogurty. 

John Ryan of Coolkill pays the Purcells a small rent and the two families are allies. Members of the Ryans of Inch become estate agents / lawyers for the Purcells and deal with legal land issues for the Purcells including repossession of Beakstown Castle following (pg 39) "the King’s re-granting of the estate to Ormond in 1661 as guardian to Nicholas Purcell" 

Fitzpatrick in his thesis seems to say that the castle was still intact in 1665. It doesn't specifically say when the Ryans were actually tenants in it. 

The date stone of 1699 is interesting. Was this maybe referring to the later Georgian House built on site it seems unlikely that they were still building tower-houses at this date?

Saturday, 19 April 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Knockdromin / Incha Beg / Inchamore

 


Knockdromin / Incha Beg / Inchamore

Connor O Bryen of Knockane Esqr.

Donogh mcPhillipp of Insybegg Gent

Teige McKeogh of Knockydromune Gt.

Owny McKeogh of Garrymeregine Gt.

William McKeogh of Ballyda Gent

The HMR have a few possible strands.

There is a Mahoone McTeige and there is also a Mahowne McKeogh. In the Civil Survey we have a Teige McKeogh.

So I would think there is a good possibility that this Mahoone / Mahowne is a son of Teige McKeogh.

There is also an Edmond McWillm, there is a William McKeogh in the Civil Survey so Edmond could possibly be his son and therefore this Edmond is a McKeogh.

There is a Donnogh Byren recorded in the HMR. Could he be the same as the Donogh mcPhillipp of Insybegg. Probably a bit of a stretch.

We are reviewing at least three different townlands and so a name that is recorded in the Civil Survey may not have been as easy to follow down through the records.

An example of this is McKeogh. It is in the Civil Survey for the “united” townlands. Doesn’t appear in the HMR for Inchamore but is in subsequent records such as the Tithe Applotment, Griffiths Valuation and 1901 / 1911 census. (Interestingly there is a Timothy McKeogh in Inchamore in the Tithe Applotments, Timothy / Teige?)

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2025/04/hearth-money-rolls-knockadromin-incha.html

Hearth Money Rolls - Knockadromin / Incha Beg / Inchamore

 

                                                         Created by Derek Ryan 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665

This townland took a bit of figuring out as you can see by the various names it previously had.

The following names were recorded in Knockadromin townland (Queildrumni / Cnocknednimin / Killdromina).

 

Edward

Howell

Daniell

Tuohy

Edmd.

McWillm

Mahowne

Hogane

 

 

 

 

 

Kenedy

Bryen

Mahowne

McKeogh

Owley

Leery

Donnogh

Bryen

 

 

 

 

There is also 1666-7 addon / additional return.

Mahoon

Hogan

Teige

O'Bryan

Edward

Howell

Mahoone

McTeige

Donnogh

O'Bryan

 

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression so far.

In this townland this rule doesn’t seem to hold true. Edward Howell is listed first in 1665 but 3rd in the 1666-67 return. Mahowne Hogan is listed last in 1665 and 1st in 1666-67.

Donnogh O’Brien is also listed in both returns. Howell is likely to be an English settler surname. Edmund McWilliam is an unusual name, where he is likely to be from I’m not sure. The rest seem to be of Gaelic origin with Tuohy, McKeogh, O’Leary & McTeige (linked to being the descendant of someone living nearby, for example Teige O’Brien). 

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Templeachally&townland=Knockadromin&search=Search

O’Brien / Brien is the only surname that continues from the Hearth Money Rolls.

In the Griffiths Valuation (see picture) the name Brien continues.

In the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballina/Knockadromin/

The name Tuohy reappears in this return but he is a Cattle Dealer staying at Hayes’s home. O’Brien is no longer recorded.

In 1911,

 

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballina/Knockadromin/

No names from the Hearth Money Rolls remain by 1911.

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?



Created by Derek Ryan


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Inchabeg townland (Inchibegg).

Dermtt.

Halloren

Owen

McDaniell

 

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression so far.

Only two names and both seem of Gaelic origin.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824 but I don’t have access to it for this townland if it exists. 

In the later Griffiths valuation (pictured), the Hearth Rolls surnames do not appear.  

In the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballina/Incha_Beg/

& 1911 none of the Hearth names reappear.


https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballina/Incha_Beg/

 

These last few townlands show that it is not a given that surnames continue down through the records.

 

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html? 



Created by Derek Ryan 

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Inchamore townland (Inchamore).


John      Hicky

Connor O'Mallowny

Owen    Ryane

James   Hicky

Connor Malloony

Danniell Hicky

Donnogh Fenagh

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression so far.

This seems to remain a very Gaelic townland with Hickeys, Moloneys, Ryans and the last name Fenagh (I’m not sure of the origin / what that name would be today)?.

What is very interesting about this record is that it seems to record the occupation of one of those recorded.

Connor Malloony is recorded as a Brogmaker or shoemaker. Other than those that own a Kiln or Oven this is the only occupation that can be determined from the records.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1824.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Templeachally&townland=Inchamore&search=Search

In this we have Hickey and Ryans.

In the later Griffiths valuation (pictured), these two names from the Hearth Money Roll names are represented.


In the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Ballina/Incha_More/

Hickeys and Ryans remain.


In 1911


https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Ballina/Incha_More/

Hickeys and Ryans are still there. Although both common names in the wider area. Ryan in particular is less common in the half-barony of Arra and so both are certainly worth further study to see if they have links to the Hearth Money Rolls.

 

My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Arra records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/04/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html?

 

1766 Census for Abington

1766 Census for Abington, Co. Limerick.xlsx