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Hearth Money Rolls - Fiddane & Gortnaskehy

 

Created by Derek Ryan

In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Fiddane / Gortnaskehy townland (Ballyvowne).

Edmond

Barry

Teige

McOwen

Marten

Genene

Michaell

Russell

Wm.

Ryane

 

There was no return for 1666-7.

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So in this case we have an Edmond Barry, possible an old Anglo-Norman name. Russell is another name of Anglo-Norman origin. We also have  Ryan and a Mc surname, possibly a descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg Teige McOwen actually be Teige son of Owen Ryan. There is also Genene but I’m not sure of that surnames origin.

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm

In this case there is a Michael Barry could be a descendant of this Hearth Money Roll Barry. Interestingly there is a Thomas Russell in this census. There are at least 224 Ryans in the census.

Edit: Fern Williams pointed out that Gernane could bethe name Guinane and in the 1766 there is the name Gainon with a Der, John & Thomas Gainon. 

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Fidane&parish=Kilnarath&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilnarath&townland=Gurtnaskeher&search=Search

There are plenty of Ryans but unfortunately neither Barry or Russell which would have been relatively rare in the area.

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).

There are again plenty of Ryans but no way of connecting back to the HMRs.

Fiddane

Edmond Ryan

Patrick Connors

John Leddin

Patrick Maddin

Widow Ryan

Widow Connors

Widow Ryan

Michael Ryan

Thomas Collins

John Ryan

Patrick Ryan

Brien Quigley

Simon Connors

Denis Ryan

Denis Hourigan

Denis Cluin

Patrick Connors

James King

Widow Ryan

James Ryan

Michael O’Brien


In the later Griffiths valuation (see picture), again lots of Ryan but none of the other HMR surnames.


From https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/



The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilnarath/Fiddane/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilnarath/Gortnaskehy/

Plenty of Ryans again but none of the other HMR surnames.

And 1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilnarath/Fiddane/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilnarath/Gortnaskehy/

 

So although the Ryan name carries down to the Griffiths Valuation, unfortunately it is too common a name to connect it back to the HMRs.


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html

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