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Hearth Money Rolls - Mountphilips

 

Created by Derek Ryan 


In the Hearth Money Rolls 1665
The following names were recorded in Mountphilips townland (Clonminer & Cloncamer).

Cptn.

Chapley

Cptn.

John

McThomas

John

McRory

Wm.

McRory

Donnogh

McConnor

Amfrie

Torner

Connor

Oge

Morrogh

McShane

 

There was also a 1666-7 return as follows.

Richard

Dingle

John

Coplie

Umphrey

Stanley

John

Rian

Donnell

McDaniell

Connor

Oge

WIlliam

McRory

Don

Cnavine

Dermott

Morowney

Generally the first name in a townland seems to be the most important landowner. At least that is my impression.

So in this case we have Cptn Chapley in the first return and Richard Dingle in the 2nd. The two returns vary greatly with only William McRory being common to both. Chapley / Copley could possible also be the same name?

There seems to have been a number of English settlers in this area, Chapley / Copley, Turner, Dingle & Stanley all are likely to be of this origin.

There are a number of Gaelic names in the townland, Ryan & Moroney. There are also a lot of Mc surnames, likely to be descendants of someone else rather than surnames in their own right eg John & William Mc Rory might actually be Sons of Rory Ryan for example. Oge is similar. Cnavine I’m not sure about?

 

There is the 1766 census available for the general area but unless someone has a very distinct surname it is nearly impossible to make any kind of connection.

https://www.igp-web.com/IGPArchives/ire/tipperary/census/1766-rel-cens/newport.htm

No Chapley / Copley, Dingle, Stanley.

There is a Thomas Turner though. The surname is very rare in the area.

There is a John Morony but that is a name that might be more difficult to link together.

Ryan and the Mc / Oge surnames would be very difficult to link together.

The next available "Census" for the area is the Tithe Appointment Books 1827.

No HMR names.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Kilvolane&townland=Mount%20Pholess&search=Search

 

There is also an 1835 census available for the Parishes of Newport and Birdhill (transcribed by Hugh Sweeney of Newport Historical & Archaeological Society in Newport News).

No HMR names carry through.

William Philips Esq.

Michael Ward

John Healy

Samuel Preston

William Carey

William Bourke

Edmond Healy

John Carey

In the later Griffiths valuation (see pictures); no HMR names.

From https://www.askaboutireland.ie/griffith-valuation/

The 1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilcomenty/Mountphillips/

No HMR names.

And 1911 Census
https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilcomenty/Mountphillips/

 

No HMR names. Unfortunately none of the surnames in the HMR seemed to have stayed in the townland.

As a later exercise will also try and look at the Civil Survey – Transplantation records – Hearth Money Rolls but I think I will keep that as a separate exercise.


My own analysis of the rolls highlighting the Owney records.
https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/the-hearth-money-rolls-in-half-barony.html


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