Thursday, 30 January 2025

Hervey Morris - 1798 Hero or Genealogical & Historical Embellisher (or somewhere in between)?

 


Hervey Morres (1767 - 1839) A leader of the United Irishmen in Tipperary.

He was born outside Nenagh in Rathnaleen. He was said to be from a poor catholic gentry family.

In 1782, at the age of 15 he went with his kinsman Lieutenant-General Edward Count D'Alton of Grennanstown (near Toomevara) to Flanders and enlisted in the Austrian army. He fought in various campaigns for the Austrians before returning to Ireland around 1794.

He moved back to Knockalton outside Nenagh and initially it is said that he was pro British and the status quo at the time.

However, he became disillusioned and joined the United Irishmen and began work on preparing Tipperary and Munster for rebellion.

He ended up on the United Irishmen's executive and began plans for taking a large arms store at the Phoenix Park.

He narrowly avoided arrest when this didn't work out and made his way to Co. Westmeath where he eventually joined up with the French army that had invaded under General Humbert.

Following the French defeat he fled eventually to Hamburg and was arrested.

His wife, living in Knockalton passes away, probably from the shock of his arrest. He only serves 10 months in jail in Britain and is sent for a trial in Ireland. He wins his case after various errors in his arrest were shown.

He remarries to Helen Esmonde who is an heiress to a wealthy landowner and he lives a genteel life and pursues his interests in genealogy and antiquarianism in Dublin.

He had plans to write a book on Irish history and has a number of sketches commissioned of various sites around the country.

The aim of his genealogical studies seems to be to prove that his family were the senior branch of the Morres family and also to show that his family were an offshoot of the de Montmorency dynasty in France.

As part of this it is said that he concocts evidence including exaggerated sketches and sometimes attributes tombs etc to the Morres family that have no connection at all.

He goes to Paris in 1811 and joins the French army in May 1812 serving in numerous engagements. In 1816 he becomes a French citizen and 1817 a Knight of Saint-Louis.

In Ireland his claim that he is descended from the Montmorency's is recognised and members of his family are granted permission to use the Montmorency name by royal license. However ironically Hervey himself isn't listed as a family member that can use it the name.


He publishes his history of his family Genealogical memoir of the family Montmorency in 1817. In it, it contains "fake illustrations designed to support Morres’s claims, including renderings of supposed de Marisco tombs in Ireland showing the Montmorency arms. The French Montmorencys, however, never acknowledged his claims, even protesting to the king of England regarding the royal licence granted in 1815. His genealogical forgery was accepted in Britain and Ireland until its exposure by the historian John Horace Round in the 1890s." 


He retires from the French army and dies in 1839.

Summarised from Patrick Geoghegan’s article on him from the dictionary of Irish biographies.

https://www.dib.ie/biography/morres-hervey-montmorency-a5980

William Hayes in his book "Tipperary in the Year of Rebellion 1798" broadly agrees with the above and adds a few bits that aren't included above. He was not aware of the controversy surrounding Morres's genealogy and claims. (The Mountmorency bit).

On pg 32 it says "Morres had been journeying to Dublin, liaising with the United executive on behalf of the Nenagh committee".

The same page mentions how the rebellion was to be organised in Nenagh by "the appointment of captains for all the major streets, namely Castle Street, Barrack Street, Silver Street and Pound Street".

Morres is again mentioned as a liaison between the Cahir United Irishmen and the main Dublin United Irishmen on pg 37.

Hayes states on pg 54 that Morres was to lead the attack on the Phoenix Park magazine / gun stores and following the abandonment of this plan and arrests of key leaders, it says Morres lies low.

In some confessions by United Irishmen, it is said that in the event of a rebellion in Dublin - that additional fronts were to be opened up with a General Egan rising in Nenagh and General Morres was to oppose Sir James Duff (in Limerick).

Things differ with Geoghegan's account after this in that Morres is given a larger role in the French invasion.

On pg 93 it states "Fitzgerald went on to inform Castlereagh that General Henry Morres had returned in disguise into Tipperary from Carrick-on-Suir and that he has a list of people he was inquiring after. The sheriff added that he believed Morres was going into the county Galway, and that he would make every exertion to arrest him." Hayes states that Morres "has information that a French force had set out".

Hayes refers to a letter from Fitzgerald to Lord Castlereagh that states "Hervey, "the Rebel General", had made his way up to Nenagh, and that he believed he was now gone on to Killala. He made reference again to Morres's movements, mentioning significantly that he had escaped from county Wexford into the county Waterford."

On p94 it seems to suggest from Fitzgerald's letters that Morres is trying to recruit and arrange people to rise up in North Tipp and Offaly to go to Clare to join up with the French who are supposed to land there.

It then ties back into Geoghegan's history of Morres where we find Morres in Westmeath trying to get United Irishmen together to meet the French army that have arrived.

The outcome is the same with the French and Irish suffering defeat at Ballinamuck.

Hayes says that Morres escapes in disguise to England. From there he journeyed on to Hamburg and is arrested there and eventually extradited to England.

The final mention of Morres in Hayes's book is as follows (pg 97).

“Hervey Montmorency Morres, who had an intense pride in his Anglo Irish lineage, has yet to receive due recognition for his role in the '98 Rebellion, and for his endeavours to involve his native county."

In the next post I will look at some of the exaggerated claim relating to his genealogy. Although this doesn’t negate his record, it does show that you do need to careful when taking antiquarian sketches as first hand evidence.

Hervey Morres and exaggerated antiquarian sketches.

What initially attracted me to his story was the article by Conleth Manning in History Ireland.

https://www.historyireland.com/hervey-morres-and-the-montmorency-imposture/

In it the following is mentioned

"There is also a print of his family home at Rathnaleen, near Nenagh, and it is difficult to know how much credence can be given to it. It does not survive and even its exact location is uncertain. It is depicted as a five-bay two-storey house with attached wings to the rear. A ruined castle is shown beyond it, which was relatively small in the version of the print published in the 1817 book. He must have considered it insufficiently impressive and had the engraver enlarge it for the 1828 book." - Conleth Manning



I know Rathnaleen and I wondered would it be possible to figure out where this house was. From the first picture / sketch (picture 1) you can see an impressive house with the ruins of a castle to the rear and a tower in the back left and in the back right as well. I've highlighted these in picture 2.



It dawned on me that it must be an exaggerated version of the house marked as Woodbine Lodge that I featured in a blog post to do with the name Sheane forts.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2017/04/rathnaleen-fairy-mound.html

What is interesting is that, in what was the back right of the photo, in reality there was a possible folly built inside a ringfort.

There are two ringforts near Woodbine Lodge and a landscaped avenue linking the two. The ringforts, it has been suggested, were landscaped to form tree-rings.


Picture 3 (above) is why it is very hard to identify it today.

However in picture 4 (above) I've marked the house in red and also where the back left tower roughly would have been. 

In picture 5 (above) you make out the rear of the house. 

Picture 6 (above) is a zoomed in picture of the house from the road.


Picture 7 (above) is the OS map of the location.

Picture 8 (above) I’ve marked up the buildings in the original sketch.

So I think this is the house "pre-exaggeration". It is located in the townland of Rathnaleen South and the tree-rings / rignforts hint at the basis of the exaggerated sketch. It was still a substantial residence at the time and I would think lived in until relatively recently as it appears to have electricity going to it.

So I think this was Hervey Morres's homeplace in Rathnaleen. So just to be clear – it seems that the Morres’s were a well-off family, certainly in terms of Catholic’s at the time.

It looks like the main exaggeration / fantasy was in relation to the claim to be Montmorecys. At this remove we don’t know the reason why he wanted to put forward this claim. Was it purely out of wishing to be a higher-status than they were? was it necessary to get by at a time when being a Catholic was a big disadvantage or did he commission people to carry out sketches and research and perhaps he was mislead / they created what they thought he wanted?

Whatever it was it is an interesting story and I will look at a few other sketches below.

Embellishment or just plain fraud (Hervey Morres pedigree)?

When I initially read about Hervey Morres and the exaggerated sketches that were used to support his false claim to be descended from the Montmorceys, I actually went into it thinking that maybe the accusations were false and they were just exaggerated. However when I saw this sketch (below) from Holycross Abbey of the Sedilia there and the caption "Tomb of de Marisco at Holycross co. Tipperary" (pg 399 of the Google books version). I knew then that something wasn't right!

This sedilia to my knowledge isn't even a tomb - a sedilia was a place where the celebrants sat at times during a ceremony so it isn't a tomb.

I wondered could one of the crests be the de Marisco crest of arms, however this doesn't seem likely based on this either:

"Reading from left, the first is a plain cross, possibly the coat of arms of the Abbey.

The second and largest, carries the royal arms of England in a form adopted after 1405.

The third shield carries the arms of the Ormonde Butlers, an acknowledgement of the patronage of the earls of the period and the arms of the fourth seem to be those of one of the Desmond Geraldines. The fifth shield is blank; like the first shield it is only cut into the face of the sedilia, not in bold relief like the other three; possibly those shields were not part of the original design. The sedilia has been popularly known as the “Tomb of the Good Woman’s Son.” A tradition still surviving claims that this is the burial place and monument of the English prince who was murdered locally."

http://www.holycrossballycahill.com/news/abbey/history/

Picture of the Sedilia today. 


I will look at some of the other sketches, they probably aren't as blatant as this one but to me it really calls into question them all.

Everyone knows this effigy tomb of Sir Oliver Morres in Holycross Abbey in Tipperary, right? (Sketch pictured below).

Well you shouldn't because it doesn't exist nor (to my knowledge) did it ever exist!

In Morres's book, it features the caption:

"Tomb in the Abbey-church of Holy-cross, county of Tipperary, of Sir Oliver Morres, styled MacMorres, Lord of Lateragh, Baron de Montemarisco, chief of the house of Montmorency-Morres. Died AD 1620. Erected by Oliver Mac ? Laghan, his Son and heir"

(From page 433 of the Google Books version.)

This is even more blatant than him trying to link the Sedilia in Holycross Abbey to his pedigree where he called it the "Tomb of de Marisco at Holycross co. Tipperary"

It is through this lens that we have to analyse some of the other sketches used in his book from 1817. 

It just reiterates that you can't take old sketches as facts, you don't know what the agenda behind them was.

This drawing of Nenagh Castle (above) from Hervey Morres's book (pg 385 of the Google Book version) is fairly accurate. It seems to portray the round tower, the hall and entrance that are still existing and some of the curtain walling. However it is more likely that the other towers of the curtain walling were round (similar to the existing one and as per Leask's projected plan see below).

The picture (below) is a sketch by Austin Cooper dating to 1784, the sketch in Morres's book would have dated after this so they couldn't possibly have been recording what the actual condition of the castle was at the time, only a projected one.

Lastly the caption on it is

"Nenagh Castle. The Keep or great tower built 1215 by Lord Geoffrey de Marisco, the rest of the Fortress by Theobald Walter, progenitor of the House of Butler".

This is a big claim that I came across before elsewhere and took at face value based on a secondary source. I even created a post about it! However I would really call it into question based on some of the other unsupported claims in the book.

https://www.facebook.com/Thetipperaryantiquarian/posts/2471654693054788


This drawing of Latteragh Castle and Church from Hervey Morres's book (pg 367 of the Google Book version) could be fairly accurate.

The church ruins don't look outlandish compared to the ruins today (see two pictures below) and there is at least the ruins of a castle at Latteragh.




We don't have an alternative sketch from around the same time but we know today that it isn't perched on the edge of a rock precipice as shown in the sketch. Those high chimneys (below) maybe also look a bit off to me.


It is at least associated with the De Marsico's and is described as follows on archaeology.ie

"The first reference specifically to the 'Old Castle' of Latteragh is mentioned in documents as early as 1269 (Cunningham 1987, 147). In 1284 William de Marisco held 11 carucates of land in Laterah Otheran (Cal. inq. post mortem, 321), and by 1384 John Laffan was listed as owner of the manor of Latteragh (Cal. doc. Ire., no. 269). Described in the Civil Survey 1654-6 as a 'ruined castle & a Barbicon' the proprietor in 1640 being listed as Sir John Morres (Simington 1934, vol. 2, 225). Present remains consist of a natural hillock which has been scarped and flattened on top to form a low square-shaped platform (dims. 23m E-W; 24m N-S) on top of which are the fragmentary remains of a thirteenth-century circular keep (Wall T 2.6m). A garderobe chute is the only architectural feature visible. The base of the platform is enclosed by a curtain wall (wall T 1.1m; H 3m) built with coursed rubble limestone with a nineteenth-century limekiln inserted into the S wall and a contemporary gateway to the E. A protruding wall returns from the W face of the curtain wall indicating the possible location of a rectangular building built up against it."


Another sketch from Morres's book is of Knockagh or Knocka castle (above) not far from Templemore in Tipperary.

This one does have a Morres link with -Sir John Morres is listed as proprietor in 1640.

It is probably one of the more accurate ones sketches, the first picture is the sketch from Morres (pg 427 of the google books version) shows a round castle surrounded by a bawn wall and entrance.

The next picture (below) is by Robert French and is housed in the National Library and dates to sometime between 1865-1914. So sometime after the sketch was made.


The next picture (below) is from around 2017 and shows what the castle looks like today.

We are kind of back to the start of where my interest in the De Marsicos and in turn Hervey Morres started.

Back in 2019 I wrote a post based on secondary sources that had taken information by Hervey Morres as being accurate.

In the post I wondered was this effigy (pictured above) - Geoffrey De Marsico as outlined in Morres's book (see pg 334 of the Google book version).

However the table tomb that the sketch shows no longer exists (and likely never did).

Manning, in his piece in History Ireland states "A print of the effigy of a knight at Hospital, Co. Limerick, from Morres’s 1828 book. He added the fictitious tomb surrounds with the de Montmorency arms, and further embellished the print by adding an inscription to the base of the tomb surround."

https://historyireland.com/hervey-morres-and-the-montmorency-imposture/

Some reputable sources such as Hunt's Irish Medieval Sculpture Figures records the effigy as De Marisco and so does the Trinity website.

The SMR note on archaeology.ie also notes it as De Marisco.

However I personally think, based on the fraud / embellishment shown to date in my other posts in relation to sketches in this book, that this needs to be called into question.

https://www.facebook.com/Thetipperaryantiquarian/posts/pfbid02z9w8jAvBnPNECKC18NQprgTTXmQz7vFTyLMRUPXR7HLLegWqMGsMCRbXi4moL7Wpl

So the big takeaway for me is to check your sources and try to go back to the primary source if possible.

It also shows that even supposed sketches of monuments drawn historically aren't always accurate and when it comes to history, to always watch out for biases or an agenda.

Thursday, 23 January 2025

The "Lost" Castle of Annagh

Right on the border with Tipperary there was a large castle in the townland of Annagh in Co. Limerick. It was in the Barony of Owneybeg or part of Owney O'Mulryan - aka Ryan Country. 

The castle was the residence of William O'Mulryan who was one of the last chiefs of the O'Mulryan clan. 

On the Down Survey maps below we can clearly see an impressive building. 


And here.


In the Civil Survey for Limerick, the townland of Annagh is owned by a John Ryan Esqr (this may be William's Son) and the following is described there. 

"Annagh three qarters of land wth a Castle two Orchards and a mill seate". 

So somewhere between the 1650s and the 1840s it is completely destroyed without a trace. 

According to Tierney in "The Parish of Murroe & Boher", the lands were confiscated in the 1650s, firstly coming into the possession of Col. Richard Lawrence until 1666 when the lands were granted to Roger, Earl of Orrery. He was an absentee landlord.

Next a Sir Thomas Hackett leased the lands in 1673. Hackett was eventually declared bankrupt in 1700. George Evans later bought the lands and leased them to John Waltho and then Joseph Barrington. 
Finally in 1840 Sir Matthew Barrington bought the lands and they were held by that family until the 1920s. 

Sir Thomas Hackett's papers are available to view at Glenstal Abbey by appointment. 


It may be possible that there are some maps or references to the castle in those or in the Barrington papers which Tierney also references. 

It is not mentioned in the OS Name Books or Letters and is not marked on the 1840s OS maps.



 
When you look at the present day aerial photos for the area, normally even if a castle is destroyed above ground, you should be able to see some kind of crop-mark. Unfortunately it isn't apparent in pretty much any aerial views I have seen. 

Also there is the question of where did all the stone from the castle go? Was it reused somewhere and if so where? 

There is one aerial view that is from the dry spell in 2020 that maybe is a clue. 




It is however less clear when you zoom in. 



And on other aerial views. 



So is this the location of this Ryan castle and what happened for it to be completely demolished? 

Local historian Pakie Ryan, in a personal communication, also informed me that a field directly across from the medieval church in Annagh was known locally as "The Castle Field". 
However this field doesn't seem to be in the correct location in relation to the Down Survey maps (which were fairly accurate). However it is the local knowledge so can't be discounted.  



Sunday, 19 January 2025

Ryans - "To Hell or to Connacht"

'Confiscation cannot take away a right'

(The O'Donoghue to Sir Marmaduke Travers in Charles Lever's Novel The O'Donoghue, 1845) via Marnane's From Landed Estates to Family Farms. Land Ownership in Tipperary

See this wikipedia link for more about the Act for the Settlement of Ireland 

Act for the Settlement of Ireland 1652 - Wikipedia

I have been working on trying to figure out the original townland names for as many of the Ryans that feature in Simington's Transplantation to Connacht and tieing in where they were scheduled to be transplanted to. 

That has expanded out a little to include those mentioned in O'Mahoneys paper in the North Munster Antiquarian Journal - "Cromwellian Transplantation from Limerick"

This is the spreadsheet tracking the work below. Those coloured red I have been able to identify placename wise and have written about. 

Link here

If anyone can identify any of the placenames I haven't been able to find, let me know. It would be a great help. 

The links below are to the individual placenames / individuals. 

Turraheen 

Ballyoughter

Mongfune

Clonalough

Tullow

Attybrick

Allengort

Ballyhourigan

Drumbane

Glenculloo / Bauraglanna 

Cooldotia

Ballycahane

Oakhampton

Cragg

Mogland

Finnahy

Glengar

Sadlierswell

Sunday, 12 January 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Allengort

 

In the Civil Survey we have the following owners for Aghluggart.

Richard Laffan of Newtown Esqr.

Donogh Ryan of Aghluggart

Donogh Ryan of Allengort is listed in Simington’s Transplantation to Connacht to be transplanted to Feacle (Upper) in Co. Clare.

There are Ryans recorded in the Griffiths Valuation for Feacle Parish in Clare but no one that stands out as a potential descendant of a displaced Ryan (ie with a larger than normal holding).

We don’t have a Hearth Money Roll for the townland so we can’t compare that to see if Donogh Ryan is still in Allengort in 1665/66/67.

In the Tithe Applotments there are no Ryans recorded.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Moyaliff&townland=Allengort&search=Search




In the Griffiths Valuation for Allengort there is only one Ryan with a small holding.  

There is however still a Ryan in the 1901 census for the townland.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Gortkelly/Allengort/1703792/

And still in 1911

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Gortkelly/Allengort/1703792/

So we don’t really know what became of this Donogh Ryan in Allengort. Whatever happened to him it is likely that his descendants didn’t prosper but they may at least have survived.

Friday, 10 January 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Cooldotia

 


This is a very interesting one.

In the Civil Survey –

John Ryan of Lissnaselly Gent is the owner of Cooldotia townland. Simington in the Transplantation to Connacht records a John Ryan of Cooledoty to be transplanted to Kilseily (Lr.) in Tulla Barony in Co. Clare.

In the Griffiths Valuation for Kilseily there are a number of Ryans recorded in the Parish.

Next we see if any Ryans remained in Cooldotia in Tipperary.

There is one Ryan in the Tithe Applotments for Cooldotia here

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Ballycahill&townland=Cooldotia&search=Search

There are no Ryans in the Griffiths Valuation in Cooldotia.

Could this suggest John Ryan went to Clare?

What is really interesting is that a much more in depth review has been done on this John Ryan in Richard Fitzpatricks thesis

THE RYANS OF INCH AND THEIR WORLD: A CATHOLIC GENTRY FAMILY FROM DISPOSSESSION TO INTEGRATION, C.1650–1831

https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/id/eprint/13793/

Callinan seems to suggest in the Four Tipperary Septs that John Ryan of Lisnasella is a son of Teige McShane Glas O’Mulryan who in turn was a son of Shane Glass Mulryan, “Captain” of his Country and that subsequently the Ryans of Inch descend from him.

However Fitzpatrick disagrees with this. He states (pg 21-22)

“The Ryans’ exact relationship to this individual and his successors is unclear. The Tipperary antiquarian, Dr Martin Callanan, has stated that the Ryans were descended from Shane Glasse’s younger son Teige of Lisnasella. This conclusion is based on the fact the Ryans were in possession of Lisnasella by 1641. Conversely, a family pedigree completed in 1708 makes no reference to Teige of Lisnasella or Shane Glasse. Instead, it records the Ryans’ descent from an individual named Art, son of John. This former individual was a small freeholder in Kilnelongurty in 1611 at the same time Teige McShane Glasse was in possession of the lands of Lisnasella. Despite the uncertainty of their exact lineage, it is clear that the Ryans were not the successors of Shane Glasse. This distinction was held by the latter individual’s grandson, also called Shane Glasse, who was in possession of the clan’s old mensal lands by 1611”

Basically Fitzpatrick says in his thesis that the predecessors of the Ryans of Inch managed to actually gain lands “via the new legal system and socio-economic environment” in the early 1600s and by 1641 John Ryan of Lissnadella & Cooldotia owned 720 acres.

How then did he end up having a transplantation decree written against him? He suggests that he must have been involved in the rebellion in 1641 (Pg 24)

“What evidence that has emerged from the surrounding area, albeit circumstantial (from the 1641 Depositions for example), does point to their involvement: a kinsman from Lisnasella and most of their neighbours are directly incriminated. The family’s connection to Baron Theobald Purcell would also suggest that they were drawn into the conflict at an early stage”

Fitzpatrick says that this John Ryan was likely given a dispensation to remain in Tipperary. He looks at a number of factors that may have influenced this.

He was one of the panel of local men used to confirm the particulars of the Civil Survey.

The inquisition into Kilnelongurty was the last carried out in county Tipperary and by this stage the impetus was beginning to leave the transplantation plan.

Lands also had to be surveyed for confiscation and incredibly two of John Ryan’s sons actually married two daughters of one of the surveyors (Dr Patrick Raggett) who was carrying out the survey of the lands in the area.

(Pg 27) “Given the de-population that had already occurred in county Tipperary due to transplantation, and that John Ryan resided in the area Raggett was reviewing, there is reason to suspect that Ryan may have received a second or extended dispensation in order to accompany Raggett during his surveying work. Indeed, it was reported that the territory of Kilnelongurty had been de-populated to such an extent that ‘Four native Irish recently removed to Connacht were ordered to return to assist in the surveying of the barony’”

Later Fitzpatrick says (Pg 30)

“Even so, the gears of the administrative apparatus in Ireland ground on, and in May 1656 Ryan was allotted 239 plantation acres of land in Coolagh in the parish of Kilseily, barony of Tullough, Co. Clare. It appears that Ryan resided on his new estate for less than a year, because in March 1657 he provided an individual named Richard Bentley with a power of attorney to oversee his lands in the parish of Kilseily. John Ryan is not recoded in the ‘1659 Census’ of Co. Clare, but it is unclear whether or not he had returned to county Tipperary before 1660. However, what is known is that Ryan’s second and youngest son, Daniel, did not transplant and remained in the Thurles area.”

This seems to be at Fortena and he is listed in the Hearth Money Rolls here – 



And in Penders Census here – 



(Pg 33)

“The Ryans, therefore, might have remained barbaric papists in the eyes of their English counterparts, but they were also willing to lease land and pay rents under less than ideal circumstances. In essence, practical economic necessity had trumped uncompromising ideology. The authorities for their part called an effective halt to the transplantation initiative in June 1657, frustrated by the sheer scale and confusion. generated by the task at hand, and in a face-saving move proclaimed it a success. Catholics were given a final deadline of between three and six months to take up their new estates across the River Shannon or forfeit their claims and face banishment overseas. Whether every transplantee rigidly adhered to the terms of the 1657 act and remained in Connacht is doubtful.”

These Ryans Fitzpatrick suggests also were friends with the Purcells of Loughmore and this may have helped in them remaining and prospering following this period.

John Ryan hoped that following the restoration of King Charles II, that he would be reinstated in his former lands. This didn’t happen but they did eventually end up purchasing and leasing more lands.

John Ryan did take possession of the lands in Clare and Fitzpatrick records the following (pg 55) (Teige is John’s son).

“Teige Ryan mortgaged his estate in Connacht to Edmond Ryan of Cashel in 1677. The original allotment of 239 acres had been reduced to 101 acres. The reduction was probably due to the claims of Henry Bridgman, who was in dispute with John Ryan over the lands in 1656.”

We even have some details from this John’s will. (p60)

His will, of 25 May 1666, was written ‘at myne owne house at Rossmult’ within touching distance of his old estate, and confirms the idea that many dispossessed landowners died on or near their old lands as much reduced tenants. However, the document was produced in a context that offered a father in failing health a glimmer of hope for the posterity of his line. Rosmult was the small portion of land Capt. Mathew sold to Daniel Ryan, and since Mathew had had this land confirmed to him the day before John Ryan wrote his will, this would strongly suggest that the sale of Rosmult was a contemporaneous and celebrated event. It can be supposed, therefore, that Ryan wrote his will with some satisfaction on his family’s new estate. Added to this, he would have known other matters pertaining to land were afoot, as Daniel Ryan was positioning himself to buy Inch at this time. He petitioned the Court of Claims shortly after his father’s death on behalf of Anne Ball to have her landholdings at Inch confirmed and was duly granted in March 1668. Thus, John Ryan passed away surrounded by his wife and their young daughter, in his own house on the family’s new estate; circumstances that must have gone some way towards softening the successive disappointments he experienced over the previous decade and a half.”

So from this we can see how much more detail can behind my simple analysis and we see that John Ryan of Cooldotia did go to Connacht for a time but ended up dying near his old confiscated lands in Tipperary.   

Wednesday, 8 January 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Glengar

 


There was a location called Glandar in Simington’s Transplantation to Connacht that I couldn’t figure out for a while. However an old map that my friend Margaret O’Sullivan sent me from some time in the 1600s I’d say, shows a townland called Glangar, when I researched exactly where it was, it is the current townland of Glengar in the Civil Parish of Doon. This seems to me to be a likely candidate for it.

In the Civil Survey for the townland (Glanegare) the following are recorded.

Wm. oge Ryan of Solloghood in the Barony of Clan Wm. Esqr

Wrn. Ryan of Glangare Gent.

Teige Ryan of Glangare

Derby Ryan of Gortnaskehy.

 

So in Simington we have a William Fitz Connor Ryan of Glandar who is scheduled for transplantation to Kilcummin in Galway. Could this be the Wm. Ryan of Glangare mentioned above in the Civil Survey? It would also suggest that his fathers name is Conor Ryan.

In the Griffiths Valuation for Kilcummin in Galway  there are no Ryans at all recorded.

So does mean he never went? Unfortunately we don’t have Hearth Money Roll records for Glengar to see if he may have stayed around. The next record is the Tithe Applotments.  

There are Ryans in the townland in the Tithe Applotments.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=&townland=glengar&parish=&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0







There are still Ryans in the townland in the Griffiths Valuation.

And in the 1901 census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Glengar/Glengar/

And 1911 census.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Glengar/Glengar/

So based on these records we don’t really know if William Fitz Conor Ryan went to Connacht or stayed in Tipperary. We can’t be 100% sure that Glandar is actually Glengar but I think it fits.

Tuesday, 7 January 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Attybricke

 


Attybricke is mentioned a number of times in the Civil Survey but doesn’t get its own entry. I think it may be included as part of Ballysynod which is a large area of almost 1000 acres.

In it is recorded a

Teig Ryan of Attybricke

He is said to own

“The sd Teige Ryan of Attybrick pprietor. of one colpe acre & two thirds of a colpe acre by descent from his Ancestors.”

In Simington’s Transplantation to Connaught a Teige O’Mullrean of Athybricke is scheduled to be transplanted to Killokennedy (Lr.) Kilmurry.

In Penders 1659 census there is a Teige Ryane gent recorded in Killogenedy – Hillegy.

In the Griffiths Valuation for Killokennedy there are a number of Ryans.

Including two in Killeagy –

One a Benjamin Ryan renting 122 acres from a John Sampson. So it would be interesting to hear from his descendants.




By the time of 1901 census there are still Ryans in Tilleagy .

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Clare/Killodennedy/Tilleagy_Goonan/

 

Including two Benjamin Ryans.

And the same in the 1911 census.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Clare/Killokennedy/Killeagy__Goonan_/

 

Attybricke in the Tithe Applotments

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?surname=&firstname=&county=Tipperary&townland=Attabrick&parish=Kilpatrick&search=Search&sort=&pageSize=&pager.offset=0

There are no Ryans.

In the Griffiths Valuation for Attybricke there is one Ryan. 



In the 1901 Census there are still Ryans

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Kilpatrick/Attybrick/

And in 1911 also.

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Kilpatrick/Attybrick/

So there were still Ryans in Attybrick into the 1911 census.

We can’t know for sure if Teige O’Mullrean was transplanted to Clare, however it is interesting to find Benjamin Ryan in the locality where he may have been transplanted to. 

So any descendants of the various Benjamins that continued down into the 1911 census would definitely be worth a DNA test to see where they originated from.

Thursday, 2 January 2025

Civil Survey Notes - Mogland

 

In Simmington's Transplantation to Connacht a John Ryan with a location Glanishynavy alias Mocklane is listed for transplantation to two locations in Galway – Kilcummin & Killannin.

Figuring this placename out took a bit of work. Help from the Irish Placenames Research group suggested that Mocklane was Mogland today.

When I went to look for this area in the Civil Survey there was only one mention of a Moghlan but not record under that name.

Luckily in the same section there is a Glyssinivie and its locational description is pretty much where Mogland is shown on the Down Survey maps.

Glyyssinive would have a similar pronunciation to Glanishynavy.

In the Civil Survey in Glyssinive we have the following

John Ryan of Glissinniuie

Teige Ryan

Daniell Ryan of ye same

 

So we have found the John Ryan listed in the transplantation decrees.

Did he go to Connacht?

In the Griffiths Valuation for Kilcummin in Galway  there are no Ryans at all recorded.

However in Fahy in Killannin there is just one, a John Ryan recorded in the 1840s owning his land “in fee”. From looking at lots of Ryan records in the Griffiths valuation, this is fairly rare.

 


There are Ryans still in Fahy down to the 1901 / 1911 census.

 

Could this be a direct descendant of John Ryan from Mogland?

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Galway/Wormhole/Fahy/

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Galway/Wormhole/Fahy/

 

Back in Tipperary in the Hearth Money Rolls the following are returned for Mogland (Moglane)

1665

Keadagh Ryan

Daniel Roe Ryan

1666/1667

Melaghlin Rian

Darby Rian

John Rian

Donnell McKye

Edmund Rian

Keadah Rian

Connor Trassy

Thomas Commin

two wast howses

Darby Reagh

 

So there are still lots of Ryans there and also a John Rian. So did he stay or did he go? There is probably only one way to know for sure.

It would be very interesting to make contact with any Ryans living in Fahy / their descendants in Galway. If they took a Y-DNA test we would be able to confirm if indeed they are descendants of John Ryan of Mogland.

It may just be a coincidence but I think the trail is fairly strong.