Civil Survey Notes - Pallas More & Pallas Beg

 

Pallas More & Pallas Beg

In Pallas there was a Mac I Brien castle and an important earthen fort that was also likely to be associated with the Mac I Briens.

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The Castle is recorded in the Civil Survey thus

“Upon the sd. Lands stands a Ruinous Castle, wth. The priviledge of a Courte leete and Courte Barron to be held twice a yeare for the Tennts. of the Demeane of Donogh O’ Bryen by Pattent, as wee are informed./

And likewise a ffaire to be held once every years on the 18^th of October.”

In the Civil Survey the following are recorded

Donogh Brien' of Belanaha Esqr

Richard Earle of Corcke English Protestt.

Lewes Walsh of Thurles Esqr

Mathew Slattery of Palicebegg Gt

Phillipp O Slattery of Palicebegg

There are some interesting comparison with the Hearth Money Rolls. Firstly there must be a connection between Lewis Walsh of Thurles and Patrick Welch recorded here.

If you look at the record for Moneroe it records that Lewis Walsh purchased land there from “in fee

to him and his heires from Margarett Bryen als Terrill & hir husband & More Bryen Spinster

Sisters of Onora Wailsh all three being Daughters and coheires of Mortagh Bryen of Castletowne

and of the other third pte of the sd. three ptds in right of his wife Onora”.

 

So I think for the Walshes we may have this small tree

 

Lewis Walsh m Onora Byren of Castletown

Likely Sons –Patrick Walsh of Pallas (HMR) – Edmond Walsh of Carrigatoher Esqr (HMR) – possibly James Walsh of Castletown (HMR)

For the Byrens

Father Murrough (Bishop of Killaloe) (of Onora)

Mortagh Bryen of Castletown married Onora Bryen

Daughters Margarett Bryen m Terrill – More Bryen (Spinster) – Onora Byren m Lewis Walsh of Thurles

 

So that was a lot to show that Patrick Walsh mentioned was likely to be a son of Lewis Walsh.

There is a Daniel M Donnogh listed in the HMR for Pallas Beg. There is a small chance that is a relative of Donogh O’ Byren of Bellanaha. (Going by the Mc son of convention).

Similarly in Pallas Beg we find a More O’Brien and also two McDonagh – a Connor & Dermott. Could they be sons of Donogh O ‘ Byren of Bellanaha. Conor McDonagh owned a forge, I think that would make him unlikely to be a son of Donogh O’Byren of Bellanaha who is an Esqr.

Next we find a Conor Slattery in the HMR, as we see above there are two Slatterys listed as landowners in the Civil Survey Matthew & Philip. This is a rare surname in the Civil Survey & HMR (the only instance of each) and you would think there has to be a close connection here.

In Lisboney there is an early gravestone to a Matthew Slattery –

None of the surnames above remain in the townlands.

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