In the Civil Survey –
John Ryan of Lissnaselly Gent is the owner of Cooldotia
townland. Simington in the Transplantation to Connacht records a John Ryan of Cooledoty
to be transplanted to Kilseily (Lr.) in Tulla Barony in Co. Clare.
In the Griffiths Valuation for Kilseily there are a number
of Ryans recorded in the Parish.
Next we see if any Ryans remained in Cooldotia in Tipperary.
There is one Ryan in the Tithe Applotments for Cooldotia here
https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Ballycahill&townland=Cooldotia&search=Search
There are no Ryans in the Griffiths Valuation in Cooldotia.
Could this suggest John Ryan went to Clare?
What is really interesting is that a much more in depth
review has been done on this John Ryan in Richard Fitzpatricks thesis
THE RYANS OF INCH AND THEIR WORLD: A CATHOLIC GENTRY FAMILY
FROM DISPOSSESSION TO INTEGRATION, C.1650–1831
https://mural.maynoothuniversity.ie/id/eprint/13793/
Callinan seems to suggest in the Four Tipperary Septs that
John Ryan of Lisnasella is a son of Teige McShane Glas O’Mulryan who in turn
was a son of Shane Glass Mulryan, “Captain” of his Country and that subsequently
the Ryans of Inch descend from him.
However Fitzpatrick disagrees with this. He states (pg 21-22)
“The Ryans’ exact relationship to this individual and his
successors is unclear. The Tipperary antiquarian, Dr Martin Callanan, has
stated that the Ryans were descended from Shane Glasse’s younger son Teige of
Lisnasella. This conclusion is based on the fact the Ryans were in possession
of Lisnasella by 1641. Conversely, a family pedigree completed in 1708 makes no
reference to Teige of Lisnasella or Shane Glasse. Instead, it records the
Ryans’ descent from an individual named Art, son of John. This former
individual was a small freeholder in Kilnelongurty in 1611 at the same time
Teige McShane Glasse was in possession of the lands of Lisnasella. Despite the
uncertainty of their exact lineage, it is clear that the Ryans were not the
successors of Shane Glasse. This distinction was held by the latter
individual’s grandson, also called Shane Glasse, who was in possession of the
clan’s old mensal lands by 1611”
Basically Fitzpatrick says in his thesis that the predecessors
of the Ryans of Inch managed to actually gain lands “via the new legal
system and socio-economic environment” in the early 1600s and by 1641 John Ryan
of Lissnadella & Cooldotia owned 720 acres.
How then did he end up having a transplantation decree
written against him? He suggests that he must have been involved in the
rebellion in 1641 (Pg 24)
“What evidence that has emerged from the surrounding
area, albeit circumstantial (from the 1641 Depositions for example), does point
to their involvement: a kinsman from Lisnasella and most of their neighbours
are directly incriminated. The family’s connection to Baron Theobald Purcell
would also suggest that they were drawn into the conflict at an early stage”
Fitzpatrick says that this John Ryan was likely given a
dispensation to remain in Tipperary. He looks at a number of factors that may
have influenced this.
He was one of the panel of local men used to confirm the particulars
of the Civil Survey.
The inquisition into Kilnelongurty was the last carried out
in county Tipperary and by this stage the impetus was beginning to leave the
transplantation plan.
Lands also had to be surveyed for confiscation and incredibly
two of John Ryan’s sons actually married two daughters of one of the surveyors (Dr
Patrick Raggett) who was carrying out the survey of the lands in the area.
(Pg 27) “Given the de-population that had already
occurred in county Tipperary due to transplantation, and that John Ryan resided
in the area Raggett was reviewing, there is reason to suspect that Ryan may
have received a second or extended dispensation in order to accompany Raggett
during his surveying work. Indeed, it was reported that the territory of
Kilnelongurty had been de-populated to such an extent that ‘Four native Irish
recently removed to Connacht were ordered to return to assist in the surveying
of the barony’”
Later Fitzpatrick says (Pg 30)
“Even so, the gears of the administrative apparatus in
Ireland ground on, and in May 1656 Ryan was allotted 239 plantation acres of
land in Coolagh in the parish of Kilseily, barony of Tullough, Co. Clare. It
appears that Ryan resided on his new estate for less than a year, because in
March 1657 he provided an individual named Richard Bentley with a power of
attorney to oversee his lands in the parish of Kilseily. John Ryan is not
recoded in the ‘1659 Census’ of Co. Clare, but it is unclear whether or not he
had returned to county Tipperary before 1660. However, what is known is that
Ryan’s second and youngest son, Daniel, did not transplant and remained in the
Thurles area.”
This seems to be at Fortena and he is listed in the Hearth
Money Rolls 1665/66/67 here –
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