Saturday, 30 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Shower

 


Shower

In the Civil Survey for the area that roughly corresponds to Shower today Dromunedornory, Garrymore & Showrelare / Shourebeg the following are recorded.

John Ryan of Dromunnedornory gt.

William Lord Barron of Castleconnell

Donogh Ryan of Shourelare gt.

John Ryan of Craige Esqr

Rory Ryan of showre

Gent

Teige Ryan of the same gt.

John Ryan of ye same gt.

 

In the later Hearth Money Rolls there is a Rory McOwen. Could he be Rory Ryan of Showre? At this remove unfortunately we can’t know for sure. Maybe if we find a record of an earlier Owen Ryan of Shower that may add support to the idea.

There are Ryans in the townland in the Tithe Appointments in 1827 and they carry on in the townland into the 1911 Census.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/10/hearth-money-rolls-shower.html

 


Friday, 29 November 2024

The Night we Rode with Sarsfield by Denis McCarthy


Followers of the page will know about the interest I have in the incident known in folklore as "Sarsfields Ride". 

For more information you can follow the storymap I created about it here

I previously came across a few different songs relating to the event including this one in the Irish Folklore Commission's Schools Manuscripts. 

This one is interestingly from a school in Galway

"I

The night I rode with Sarsfield
From Limerick town to meet,
The wagon train that William hoped,
Was help in our defeat.
II
How clearly I remember it,

Though now my hair is white
That clustered black and curly
'Neath the troopers cap that night.
III
For I was one of Sarsfield's men,
In years though still a lad
For to be one of Sarsfield's men
What boy would not be glad.
IV
For Sarsfield choosed of all his men
The best and bravest men
To ride and raid the convoy camps
That brought in English guns
V
Silently we left the town,
And silently we rode,

While o'er iur heads the silent stars,
In; silvery beauty glowed.
VI
Still silently and stealthly,
At Sarsfields stern command
We close and closer drew the lines
Of our devoted land.
VII
You shall not fail my comrades
It was Sarsfield's voice that spoke,
For Limericks and Ireland's fate,
Depends upon this stroke.
VIII
The password of the Williamites
Is Sarsfield; strange but true
And with that word upon your lips!,

You'll pass the sentry through
IX
The sleeping sentry on his rounds
Pehaps was musing o'er,
Of His happy days of childhood
On the plesant English shore.
X
Perhaps he was thining of his home,
or wishing he was there;
When springtime makes the English land,
So wonderfully and fair.
XI
At length the horses hoop-beat [?]
and jingling arms he heard,
Half, who goes there the sentry cried,
Repause and give the word.

XII
The word is Sarsfield cried; our chief
and stop him if you can

For Sarsfield in the watch-word and Sarsfield is the man." 


https://www.duchas.ie/en/cbes/4569055/4567302/4574420


Now it is one thing to read it but another to hear it and a version similar to it is available to listen to hear - sung by Gavin Byrne and I think it is absolutely excellent. 

https://soundcloud.com/user-588840438-295908759/the-night-we-rode-with-sarsfield-gavin-byrne

The words of this version are available here 

https://mudcat.org/thread.cfm?threadid=61697

And it is credited to a Denis McCarthy. 

THE NIGHT WE RODE WITH SARSFIELD
by Denis A. McCarthy

The night we rode with Sarsfield out from Limerick to meet
The wagon-train that William hoped would help in our defeat,
How clearly I remember it, though now my hair is white
That clustered black and curly 'neath my trooper's cap that night.
For I was one of Sarsfield's men, in years though still a lad,
And to be one of Sarsfield's men what boy would not be glad?
For Sarsfield chose, of all his troops, the best and bravest ones
To ride and raid the convoy's camp that brought the English guns.

'Twas silently we left the town and silently we rode,
While o'er our heads the silent stars in silver beauty glowed.
And silently and stealthily, well led by one who knew,
We crossed the shining Shannon at the ford of Killaloe.
The Galloping O'Hogan, Ireland's fiery-hearted son,
'Twas he, by many a byway, led us confidently on,
Till when the night was nearly spent we saw the distant glow
The English convoy's campfire in the quiet vale below.

Still Silently and stealthily, at Sarsfield's stern command
We close and closer drew the lines of our devoted band.
"We must not fail, my comrades." That was Sarsfield's voice that spoke.
"For Limerick and Ireland's fate depend upon this stroke.
The password of the Williamites is Sarsfield, strange but true,
And with that word upon our lips, we'll pass the sentries through.
Then when you hear my voice upraised, charge boldly, one an all,
No cannon from this convoy e'er must bark at Limerick's wall."

The sleepy sentry, on his rounds, perhaps was musing o'er
His happy days of childhood on the pleasant English shore.
Perhaps was thinking of this home and wishing he were there,
When springtime makes the English land so wonderfully fair.
At last our horses' hoof-beats and our jingling arms he heard.
"Halt! Who goes there?" the sentry cried: "Advance and give the word."
"The word is Sarsfield," cried our chief. "And stop us he who can.
For Sarsfield is the word tonight, And Sarsfield is the man."

One bursting cheer, one headlong charge, and sabres bright and keen
Are hacking at the foeman's heads where'er a head is seen.
The colonel leaves his wig behind, bestrides a horse and flies
To tell of Sarsfield's daring and the convoy camp's surprise.
We make a pile of captured guns and powder-bags and stores,
Then skyward in one flaming blast the great explosion roars.
And then we sang, as back we rode, with Sarsfield in the van:
"Ho! Sarsfield is the word tonight and Sarsfield is the man."

The night we rode with Sarsfield, I shall always hold it dear,
Though he is dead on Landen Plain, this many and many a year.
Though he is dead and I am old, my hair all silver white
That clustered black and curly 'neath my trooper's cap that night.
For I was one of Sarsfield's men, while yet a boy in years,
I rode as one of Sarsfield's men and men were my compeers.
They're dead, the most of them, afar, yet they were Ireland's sons
Who saved the walls of Limerick from the might of English guns.


Thursday, 28 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Clonygaheen


Clonygaheen

The Civil Survey records that the lads in this townland are owned by the Earle of Bath.

However it also says

“The sd. Earle of Bath pprictor in fee by Grant from the Croune of the iid halfe pld of the ad halfe PM of ClonigffsYne uppon the attainder of Teige Ryan (as wee are informed) but what rent is reserved thereout to the Croune wee know not.”

So it appears there is or was a Ryan interest in this townland.

In the Hearth Money Rolls there is a Rory Ryane listed in the townland and when we analysed the various records for the townland we found that Ryans were recorded there until at least the 1911 Census.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/09/hearth-money-rolls-clonygaheen.html


 

Bendubh - Cloncannon

 


High above Moneygal; is Bendubh mountain and near the summit is a Cairn. 

It is described as Dermot & Grania’s Bed in the 25” OS Maps from the early 1900s.

 


On archaeology.ie it is detailed as follows:

“Situated on top of a mountain with extensive views. A sunken area (diam. 2.5m; D 0.8m) enclosed by a low cairn of flat slabs some of which have names inscribed on their surface (overall diam. 5.2m; H 0.4m). This could be a small cairn of prehistoric date or a nineteenth-century cairn associated with a local folk tradition. Not depicted on 1st ed. (1840) OS 6-inch map.”



I do recall references to it in the Schools Manuscripts but I can’t find them to hand. Once I stumble across them again I will update the post here.

It would be interesting to see who the names inscribed record? 



Tuesday, 26 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Doonane

 


Doonane

Downane appears to be todays Doonane. In Downane the following are recorded in the Civil Survey;

Connell Ryan of Downane Gent

Edmond Ryan of Downane Gent

Rory McOwen Mc Cragh of Downane Gent

Daniell mc Phillipp mc Cragh of Curraghduffe

 

There is no clear-cut link between this Civil Survey record and the later Hearth Money Rolls. However one possibility is that Edmond McTeige is in fact Edmond Ryan in the CS and that his father was a Teige Ryan.

Is there any link between the Connell Ryan and Conor Ryan? The names do some slightly similar, could it be a transcription error. The only thing that could be argued as evidence is that Conor Rian has two hearths which would suggest he has a better class of house. Could this be evidence of him being a “gent”?

There are Ryans (Including Teiges and Timothys, could they be anything to that potential Edmond McTeige Ryan?) in the later Records such as the Griffiths Valuation and 1911 Census.

There is also interestingly a Honoria McGrath in the Griffiths Valuation, could she be a descendant of the McGraths mentioned in the CS?

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-doonane-toorataggart.html


Monday, 25 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Garraunbeg

 


Garraunbeg

An old name for Garraunbeg is Gurranenagrelagh - https://www.logainm.ie/en/46469

This townland is recorded in the Civil Survey

Wm. Oge Ryan of Sollaghod Esq.

John Ryan of Craig. Esq.

Henry McWm. mcCragh of Curraghduffe. Gent.

Morrogh McHenry mcCragh of Curraghduff. Gent.

Teige McHenry mcCragh of Curraghduff. Gent.

In the Hearth Money Rolls there is still a Teige McHenry. So it is possible this is the same person as the Teige McHenry mcCragh in the Civil Survey.

There is are a number of McTeiges and these may be sons of Teige McHenry McGrath.

Unfortunately there is no mention of McGraths in this townland in later records.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/hearth-money-rolls-garraunbeg.html


Saturday, 23 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Killoscully / Aughavehir

 





Killoscully

Again Killoscully isn’t specifically recorded in the Civil Survey even though its various townlands are recorded under the United Parishes of Killoskully & Killcomonty.

There is however the townland of Aghvehir which seems to correspond roughly on the Down Survey map (Possibly along with Cruary). It is mentioned twice and I’m not sure why that is exactly. (It is dealt with similarly on the Down Survey map).

Firstly we have

Derby McWilliam Ryan of Rassane gt.

James oge Ryan of Gortcassane gt.

It also unusually records that Derby McWilliam Ryan purchased his lands there from Dermott Mc Danniell of Aghvehir.

Another record for Aghvehir says

William oge Ryan of Clonbricke Esqr.

Edmond Ryan of Ballyourigan. Gt.

This area doesn’t seem to be mentioned in the transplantation decrees.

In the Hearth Money Rolls there are no Ryans mentioned. However there is the interesting Wm. McDerby.

Could he be the son of Derby McWilliam Ryan of Rassane who purchased the lands from Dermott Mc Danniell? One we can’t be sure of but interesting none the less.

In another entry in nearby Cruary there is a William Mc Daniell Ryan of Cruary. Could Dermott Mc Danniell be a brother of William Mc Daniell Ryan?

Looking at subsequent records for Killoscully there are Ryans there in the 1911 Census. However

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/hearth-money-rolls-killoscully.html

However we also probably need to look at Aughavehir for cluses as well.

1911 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1911/Tipperary/Killoscully/Aughavehir/

1901 Census

https://www.census.nationalarchives.ie/pages/1901/Tipperary/Killoscully/Aughavehir/

Ryans in both of these.

In the Griffiths Valuation there are 3 Ryans for Aughavehir.

https://titheapplotmentbooks.nationalarchives.ie/search/tab/results.jsp?county=Tipperary&parish=Killoscully&townland=Aughavehir&search=Search

In the Tithe Appointments there are 3 Ryans also in the townland.

So in theory any of these could be descendants of the Ryan in the Civil Survey. At this stage it will be impossible to know. 


Friday, 22 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Oakhampton



Oakhampton

There isn’t an individual Civil Survey (CS) entry for Oakhampton. Firstly Oakhampton used to be called Colevacke (and its many variations). There is however an entry for Macnigh which is the modern Mackney and just to the south of Oakhampton.

Also in CS entry for Macnigh there is a

Rory Ryan of Culebacke (Gent)

William Oge Ryan of Clonebricke (Esquire)

 

So it looks like we are in the right area.

In the Hearth Money Roll for Oakhampton there is no Rory Ryan recorded but there is an Owen Ryan.

The explanation for this is the a Rory Mc Daniel Ryan was listed for transplantation. In Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 113 -  Ryan, Rory Mc Daniel; of Colebracke in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive land in Boyounagh in Ballymoe in Galway – 400acres.

One interesting thing to note, in the HMR 1666-67 there is a Daniell McRorye.

Could he be Daniell son of Rory Ryan (McRorye) who was Rory son of Daniel (Mc Daniel)? So if Rory Ryan was transplantated or died before the HRM, did his son live on in the area?

Ryan continue in the area until the 1911 Census but there is nothing we can do at this remover to link them with the Ryans from the CS / transplantation decree.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-for-oakhampton.html


Monday, 18 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Rossaguile

 


Rossaguile

In the Civil Survey for this townland we have

John Ryan Craige Esqr

Theobald Lord Barron of Brittas

Donagh Ryan of Rossygeile

Teige Ryan of Rossygeile

Mortagh Glisan of Rossygeile

 

There is no one recorded in the transplantation decrees from Rossaguile.

 

In the Hearth Money Rolls for the townland, interestingly enough there is a Teige Ryan there in 1666/67.

There is also a Daniel McDonagh. Could he be anything to Donagh Ryan if we take it that Daniel Ryan could be Daniel son of Donagh Ryan? Maybe a bit of a long shot.

 

Ryans are still recorded in this townland in the 1911 census but at this remove it would be impossible unfortunately to connect them.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/09/hearth-money-rolls-rossaguile.html

 


Saturday, 16 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Cragg

 


Cragg

In the Civil Survey for Cragg a John Ryan is listed. John Ryan is almost the equivalent of John Smith in Tipperary. In the Griffiths Valuation in the 1840s there are over 1300 John Ryans recorded.

However this particular John Ryan was an Esquire and owned close to 3000 acres (not just in Cragg obviously). As far as I know he was the 2nd son of William O’Mulryan of Annagh – Chieftain of the O’Mulryans of Owney.

At Cragg he is recorded as owning Cragg Castle in the Civil Survey “Upon the sd. lands of Crage standeth test Walls of a Castle & a Barbicon & the ruines an old mill, and are at prsent totally wast wthout any Improvement or accomodacon”

His older Brother Conor O’Mulryan died in 1640 and so at the time of the Civil Survey which is supposed to record the year 1640 but is dated 1654-56 he should have been the Chief of the O’Mulryans.

Come the transplantation decrees of 1656 we find in Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 125 / 261 -  Ryan, John Fitzwilliam; of Craig in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive land in two locations. 500 acres in Ahascragh and 168 acres in Aughrim.

Fitz William backs up that we have the right person – ie son of William Ryan.

Did he ever take that up I’m not sure?

Interestingly come the Hearth Money Rolls of 1666-67, there is a John Ryan recorded still in the townland. Now obviously it is such a common name that we can’t be sure if it is him.

 

There are still Ryans living in the townland in the 1911 census.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-cragg.html

Another interesting note re John Ryan is this gravestone in Kilconnell Abbey recording a William Ryan who died in 1773. Kilconnell being in the same Barony as where John Ryan of Cragg was to be transplanted. It was erected by William’s Son Hugh.

John Ryan of Cragg’s father was William and his Uncle Hugh, obviously it is not possible that it is them by the timeline but could names have been passed down to subsequent generations?


Thursday, 14 November 2024

Broadleas Stone Circle in Co. Kildare

 


One of a number of large stone circles in East Co. Kildare. Broadleas is on private property but viewable from the road. 

It is also known as the "Pipers Stones" (Not to be confused with nearby Athgreany). 

“After a little delay, the remainder of the journey was accomplished to the next regular stoppage, at a place called “The Piper’s Stones.” here, again, Lord Walter Fitzgerald had some information prepared for the members, which he read out at the spot. He explained that the existing objects of antiquarian interest lying a short distance to the south-west of Ballymore-Eustace are three in number. In the first place there are the large boulders of graite placed in a circle 31ft. in diameter in the townland of Broadleas Commons, called “The Piper’s Stones.” They are now 29 in number. Formerly they made up a complete circle of closely placed boulders, though now there are large gaps in the ring showing where in times past many had been broken up and carried away for building purposes.

At a place called Athgreney, there is another similar circle of stones, and in the Deerpark, near Blessington, formerly there was a third one, each called “The Piper’s Stones,” but this latter was demolished years ago for building purposes.

[...] The name, “Piper’s Stones,” was often applied to this class of monument, and must have its origin in some now forgotten legend. The only explanation the old people give for the name is that bagpipe music, played by the “good people” or fairies, is still occasionally heard at the spot.

A quarter of a mile to the north-east of “The Piper’s Stones” are the remains of a Pagan sepulchral moat, called Knockshee, meaning “the fairy hill.” Little of it is now left, three-quarters of it having been demolished years ago, probably by some farmers, for the purpose of top-dressing the adjoining lands.

[...] Half a mile to the north-west of “The Piper’s Stones” is a prostrate granite monolith, known as “The Long Stone.” It formerly stood in a small rath-like enclosure now levelled, and which was thrown down in the year 1836.”

From the Kildare Archaeological Society’s annual excursion reported in the Warder and Dublin Weekly Mail, 22nd September 1900. 

Thanks to Rhiannon here for putting this together. 



Civil Survey Notes - Mountphilips / Cloncummer

 


Mountphilips / Clonecumer

Mountphilips was formerly Cloncummer and is called Clonecumer in the Civil Survey (CS).

In it is recorded for the townland are:

William oge Ryan of Clonbricke Esqr

Rory Ryan of Coulebacke Gent

John Ryan of Clonecumer Gent

Downe Ryan & Teige Ryan of Clonebunny Gent

There doesn’t seem to have been anyone here recorded in the Transplantation Decrees.

However in the Hearth Money Rolls we still find a John Rian in the townland. It is obviously a very common name but there is only circa 20 years between the two records so it is a possibility.

There are also two McRorys and they could be linked to Rory Ryan of Coulebacke but that may be stretching things a little.

This interestingly is one of the townlands where no Ryans are recorded in the later records such as the 1911 census.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/10/hearth-money-rolls-mountphilips.html


Wednesday, 13 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Tullow

 


Tullow

The townland of Tullow forms part of the modern town of Newport. In the various records it goes by many different versions of the same name.

In the Civil Survey (CS) for Tullagh & Purtanenacasky there are three people recorded.

John Ryan of Craig Esqr.

Teige Ryan of Tullagh Gent.

Hugh Ryan of Tullagh Gent.

Intriguingly in 1659 in Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 35 -  Ryan, Teige possibly McOwnhy; of Tully in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive 340 Acres in the parish of Kilkeedy in the Barony of Inchiquin in West Clare.

As the location “Tully” in the Transplantation Decree is uncertain but Tullagh / Tullow seems like a fairly reasonable assumption.

What further strengthens the argument is that in the Hearth Money Rolls for 1665 a Teige Ryan is listed in the return.

Again we can’t be certain but it is definitely interesting, is it the same person or a descendant? We still have Ryans in this townland in the 1911 census. Although it is unlikely at this remove to be able to link back to Teige McOwnhy Ryan (Gent) from 1640. Any descendants would definitely be interesting to DNA test.

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/07/hearth-money-rolls-tullow.html


Tuesday, 12 November 2024

Civil Survey Notes - Bauraglanna / Glenculloo

 



Bauraglanna

The townland of Bauraglanna makes up some of Glencollow or Glown. It goes by numerous different spellings / versions.

There are some possible connections between the 1600s records as follows:

Wm. Ryan mcOwny of Glancollow is recorded in the Civil Survey (CS). In the HMR 1665 there is a Derby McOwen. So a possible link here?

More definitely there is Wm. Mc Loghlen in the CS and in the Hearth Money Rolls (HMR) 1665 Wm. McMleaghten. So this person seems to have remained in the area during this period. I’m not sure if he is the surname McLoughlin (and variants) or a William son of Loughlin Ryan for example.

There is also a Teige McShane in the CS, he could possibly be the Teige Ryan in the HMR 1665.

In the CS there is a Edd. McConnor and in the HMR 1665 a Rory McConnor. Again not conclusive but a possible link.

Intriguingly in 1659 in Simingtons Transplantation to Connacht pg 51 -  Ryan, John; of Glan in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive 1440 Acres in two locations, one in the parish of Killaloe (Lr) and one in Killuran (Lr) in the Barony of Tulla.

In the HMR 1665 there is a John Ryan listed here in Glencollon.

The is no way of knowing if these are the same people but it is interesting none the less.

Unfortunately nothing 100% conclusive. We still have Ryans in this townland in the 1911 census. Although it is unlikely at this remove to be able to link them back to William McOwny Ryan (Gent) or others in the area from 1654-56. Any descendants would definitely be interesting to DNA test.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/09/hearth-money-rolls-for-bauraglanna.html

 

Sunday, 10 November 2024

Civil Survey notes - Ballyhourigan

 


Ballyhourigan

In the Civil Survey of 1654-56 we find

Edmond Ryan of Ballyourigane (Gent) with a share in 230 Acres of land with a Dermott Ryan of Ballyourigane (Gent).

Edmond also has a share in Aghvehir (Roughly Aughvehir / Killoscully) & Derryleagh (Derryleigh).

Similarly, Dermott of Ballyourigane has shares in Shally (Shallee).

In 1659 in Simingtons Transplantation to Connaught pg 51 -  Ryan, Edmund McTeige; of Ballyiorgan in Tipperary is recorded as being due to receive 150 Acres in the parish of Killaloe (Lr) in the Barony of Tulla.

There is a Dermot Ryan from Tipperary (no townland specified) on the same page (51) that is to receive 200 acres. Also in the parish of Killaloe (Lr) in the Barony of Tulla.

We can be fairly sure that the two Edmonds are the same person but less sure that the Dermot is the same.

This you would think is the end of the story, that at least Edmond was transplanted to somewhere in the parish of Killaloe.

Interestingly Ballyhourigan to the edge of Killaloe parish is less than 10kms away.

This may explain how in the Hearth Money Rolls in 1665 we find

Edmond Ryan

Derby McConnor

And in 1666-7

Edmund Ryan

Dermott McConnor

 

We can be relatively sure that we have the same Edmond (McTeigue) here as in the Civil Survey & the Transplantation document. (Edmond may also be son of a Teigue Ryan.) 
We can be less sure about Dermot McConnor but he could be Dermot Ryan son of a Conor Ryan.

Edmond was listed as a Gent in the Civil Survey but now his house has 1 hearth. So he may be in lessened circumstances.

Ballyhourigan is also where in 1691 – Patrick Sarsfield’s men are said to have camped and where “Sarsfield it is said was visited by one of the old O'Ryans of that country, who offered him hospitality.” From Lenihan's "Limerick and its Antiquities" pg 232

Excitingly there were still Ryans living in Ballyhourigan in 1911. Although it is unlikely at this remove to be able to link back to Edmond Ryan (Gent) from 1654-56. Any descendants would definitely be interesting to DNA test.

 

https://thetipperaryantiquarian.blogspot.com/2024/08/hearth-money-rolls-ballyhourigan.html